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midian
7/18/2007 10:53:58 AM


Status: Commander in Chief
Reminder - No-Votes


Once in a while we see a trend develop here at FN which leads folks (both new and old) in the wrong direction. Recently we've seen an increase in people not voting on contests in which they enter. This is, and always has been, considered poor citizenship. I realize some people have their reasons, some of whom I've even had conversations with about it, but overall it's not a good thing.
Following voting guidelines, and taking the time to vote on contests are two of the main aspects of good citizenship here at FN, and although your karma is not affected by no-votes at this time so there isn't a punitive result of these, I'd like to urge folks to make sure they make the effort to vote in contests they enter.


This comment was edited by midian at 7/18/2007 11:48:09 PM.
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Skorpion
Independents
7/18/2007 12:27:55 PM


Status: Commander in Chief
Important message Mid thanks.
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Keb
Republicans
7/18/2007 6:17:51 PM


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Well, I have my feelings about no voters. I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings so I will keep them to myself. But you are right, mid. Thanks for saying something.
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allanpanisa
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7/18/2007 7:42:14 PM


Status: Commander in Chief
i notice it, but i thought it was intentional for some.
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JannaR
Independents
7/18/2007 8:27:10 PM


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Well put reminder Mid, thanks!
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mashby
Republicans
7/18/2007 8:33:19 PM
Status: Commander in Chief
Guess one would wanna know about this one, too.
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gali
Independents
7/24/2007 7:02:57 AM
Status: Assistant District Attorney
Here is an idea, way don't we punish the one's that don't vote. For example, if i don't vote in a contest that i participate in, next contest i enter i will be disqualified. (so the punishment is disqualification for the next contest you enter, but just one contest)
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NewsMaster
Independents
7/24/2007 9:26:50 AM


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Hmmm... Who would want to enter knowing he'll be disqualified for sure?
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krrish
Independents
7/24/2007 9:31:34 AM


Status: Commander in Chief
Your idea is very good gali, But according to me if we disqualified them for the contest it will hurt their sovereignty.

This is a place where one can express their views. So i think disqualification for the competition is not good instead of the admins may put some restrictions like "THOSE WHO WANT TO PARTCIPATING IN THE COMPETITIONS THEY SHOULD VOTE THE OTHER ENTRIES, IF THEY DIDN'T VOTE THE ENTRIES, THAT PARTICULAR ENTRIES WILL BE DELETED FROM THE COMPETETION.
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gali
Independents
7/24/2007 9:46:23 AM
Status: Assistant District Attorney
well he will eventually enter sometime,someday, then he will be disqualified
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gali
Independents
7/24/2007 9:47:52 AM
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also, krish has a really great point, idea
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AZRainman
Independents
7/24/2007 10:15:03 AM


Status: Commander in Chief
I don't agree about forced voting. In most art contests the participants "never vote" in contest, because it's deemed as unethical, immoral and can create an environment of corruption.

I for one have not voted to keep my bias out of the contest and know that I have won it fairly, because my peers chose my picture without my interference.

To penalize a person who chooses to refrain from unethical behavior is ludacris!

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katiekate
Democrats
7/24/2007 10:28:03 AM
Status: Secretary of Treasury
Rain, you aren't casting votes for your own entries so how is it unethical for one to vote?
Lowballing/strategic voting is the only question of ethics I can see in voting, not suggesting you do that, but I guess what I'm asking is how voting fairly when you can't vote for your own entry is unethical?
How can it be unethical when a group decides it's the norm and membership is not compulsory?
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Keb
Republicans
7/24/2007 12:02:11 PM


Status: Commander in Chief
Well, this is a photoshop news contest site, not a place where big time artistes would even care to visit. They are kinda like Harley riders, you know. They think if it isn't a Harley it is inferior.
Voting for entries in the contests has always been our MO. Voting fairly (not voting to boost your own image) has always been part of an honor system type of atmosphere around here that we call citizenship. Not voting for other entries in a contest you have entered is like telling the other entrants that they are not worthy of your attention.
My take on non-voters is if you don't vote in a contest you have entered, you are not eligible for the medal or jack pot in that contest.
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midian
Independents
7/24/2007 12:19:33 PM


Status: Commander in Chief
Well, we are hoping that gentle reminders occasionally make sure that most do the right thing, without resorting to punitive measures.. Reality wise; we all have no-votes. Real life comes up once in a while or Midian drinks too many barley pops and falls asleep before vote time... Just want to get the message out that it is expected and encouraged to vote.
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mashby
Republicans
7/24/2007 12:30:35 PM
Status: Commander in Chief

On 7/24/2007 10:15:03 AM, Rainmaker said:
I don't agree about forced voting. In most art contests the participants "never vote" in contest, because it's deemed as unethical, immoral and can create an environment of corruption.

I for one have not voted to keep my bias out of the contest and know that I have won it fairly, because my peers chose my picture without my interference.

To penalize a person who chooses to refrain from unethical behavior is ludacris!




It's deemed unethical IF you vote without following the voting guidelines. We are not an art site, we are a Photoshop contest site (see the title image).

By not voting fairly in a contest (especially with your Karma), you are doing a disservice to those who have entered along with you.

There is a lot of work that goes on behind the scenes (for a reason) to deter unethical behavior (voting patterns).
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AZRainman
Independents
7/24/2007 2:15:55 PM


Status: Commander in Chief
Katiekate,

To cast votes against my peers directly effects my standing in the contest. You can see how this entrant bias effects voting by looking at the average scores of those who have entered verses those who do not enter. In an ethical contest, judges are not be in communication with, and thus will not be influenced by any of the other judges...and they aren't participants. Voting in your own contest can be seen as a plaintiff in a court case that also sits on the jury.

I personally have resumed voting because it's in the best interest of the senior ranking members, but I still don't agree with penalizing non-voters because there can be a multitude of reasons why they don't/can't vote and penalizing them will reduce entries by creating an even bigger environment of animosity.

Carrots before sticks

The priority should making the site a more member friendly in order to increase participation and attract new members. This is usually never done by increasing the level of oppression and coercion with draconian rules.


All media is some form of art

Art is a (product of) human activity, made with the intention of stimulating the human senses as well as the human mind; thus art is an action, an object, or a collection of actions and objects created with the intention of transmitting emotions and/or ideas. Beyond this description, there is no general agreed-upon definition of art, since defining the boundaries of "art" is subjective, but the impetus for art is often called human creativity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art


[Edited by User on 7/24/2007 2:16:23 PM]
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midian
Independents
7/24/2007 2:22:39 PM


Status: Commander in Chief

On 7/24/2007 2:15:55 PM, Rainmaker said:

The priority should making the site a more member friendly in order to increase participation and attract new members. This is usually never done by increasing the level of oppression and coercion with draconian rules.



Aye, exactly why this is a reminder and not a direct change in policy. We don't want to alienate anyone, we want to encourage participation and good citizenship. Forced morality has never worked, nor will it ever.
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Skorpion
Independents
7/24/2007 2:29:39 PM


Status: Commander in Chief
well almost everyone have the reason here by my perspective. It is so un-honest when you do not vote in a contest because you think another entry is better than yours, but there is when you feel like a real artist admiring the others great skills; just like when you visited a museum. Dq next entry???? Newsy is the smartest guy ... why participate next time? if there are a lot of ps sites, that would be a punishment for our site. But the smartest punishment I think is the one mentioned by Keb, non voter winner can get the 1st place but not the awards/jackpot. Well I'm always try to vote, just a few times I didn't bcos internet problems. I'm not telling that I'm the fairest voter of FN , but I'm trying to be a good freaker. Thanks Midian for this great theme, also controversial. Thanks Admins for keeping running this awesome site. God bless you freakers.
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JannaR
Independents
7/24/2007 3:15:20 PM


Status: Commander in Chief
What is or isn't art, isn't the issue. Fair play & good citizenship is. FAIR voting should be done by all, whether or not they're entered. Period.
It's called being a good sport.
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mashby
Republicans
7/24/2007 6:43:18 PM
Status: Commander in Chief
Well, OK then. Maybe we were being too harsh when we instituted the old "No juror stars if you don't vote" thing. I'd be glad to remove it from the FAQs. However, the No Vote stat will remain in place. It's there for a reason. When you submit an entry, there is a check box you have to check that states you've read the User Agreement, the FAQ, and the guidelines of the site.

Janna said it best, this is about being a good sport.

And on another note, I guess we are all artists now...Keb, can I borrow your beret?
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