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CraftLord
9/23/2018 11:14:44 AM


Status: Teacher's Pet
Karma drop

Can someone please explain why my karma dropped to 1!
As far as I know, I voted according to the guidelines.
Is there some place here where I can see why it dropped?
That would come in handy, to analyse to become a better voter.

I joined this site a long time ago.
Then due to circumstances I gave up on photoshopping.
But since a month or so, the photoshop virus has hit again

Maybe the way one should vote has changed in the passing years???

[Edited by 'CraftLord' on 9/23/2018 11:26:58 AM]
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hobbit90
Independents
9/23/2018 11:51:51 AM


Status: Commander in Chief

On 9/23/2018 11:14:44 AM, CraftLord said:
Can someone please explain why my karma dropped to 1!
As far as I know, I voted according to the guidelines.
Is there some place here where I can see why it dropped?
That would come in handy, to analyse to become a better voter.

I joined this site a long time ago.
Then due to circumstances I gave up on photoshopping.
But since a month or so, the photoshop virus has hit again

Maybe the way one should vote has changed in the passing years???

[Edited by 'CraftLord' on 9/23/2018 11:26:58 AM]



So did mine, I sent a message to ReggieRey, still don't think it works either, also I asked about if we could get out Money we won soon, hope things get fixed soon.
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HoHouse
Republicans
9/23/2018 2:37:45 PM


Status: Commander in Chief
1 voting scale (1 being the lowest, and 10 being the highest):
If the entry is so bad it deserves a 1, it should be flagged and removed from Freaking News.
2 An entry that is horrible too, and should also be removed. EXAMPLE: Horrible layer masking with jagged edges. No blending effort whatsoever.
3 Not horrible but definitely below average. Needs an extra hour to fix the obvious editing mistakes.
4 Extra 15 minutes of work on this entry could have made it a good one. It was probably a quickie where the author forgot to fix some things and submitted it in a rush.
5 Mediocre entry. Not too bad, but not yet good.
6 Slightly better than average.
7 Decent entry, much better than average. Strong idea and execution.
8 Great idea and clean execution technique.
9 Genuis idea and extraordinary execution - something you may expect to see in magazines and media.
10 Perfect entry in every possible way, professionally done. One of the best entries I've seen on the site.
HERE IS HOW YOU VOTED ON THE Flipped Celebrity Profiles
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
3 1 1 3 4 3 1 2 1
10
0 4.737
3-ONES 1's voting scale (1 being the lowest, and 10 being the highest):
If the entry is so bad it deserves a 1, it should be flagged and removed from Freaking News.
So you thought 12 of 21 entries were under 5's (Mediocre entries Not too bad, but not yet good). You started with 182 karma and lost 139 points for not voting fairly. You only get 10% of your karma if you enter the contest, so you have to vote within one point of what the peeps that didn't enter and have full karma, the real judges. Go back and look at voting history for this contest and all contests. remember you only have 18 karma. You gave the winner a 7 others voted 9's, You got second place with 8's, Third place you voted 9 others 8's, Fourth place you voted 5
other 7/8's, Fifth place a 4? 6th=3 7th=6 (6 Slightly better than average.)8th place yours,9th=6. So you lost karma because you thought 12 entries shouldn't be even in the contest, You would have won second place even if you didn't low ball all the others
If you want to see what below average chops are go to Fark.com and see what average 5's and below look like.
Here is my comment on 7th place
Should have been top 3, but our votes don't count
SplatShot Thanks, HH! I see your point!
I actually once asked Newsy to increase the 10% karma power for a participating contestant.
He said he'd think about it. I suppose he's still thinking. !!!

End of Story
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HoHouse

CraftLord
Independents
9/23/2018 4:32:52 PM


Status: Teacher's Pet
Thanks HoHouse for your input.
I didn't even know about the vote history!!!

About the Flipped Celebrity Profiles.
Normally I don't even think about giving 1's or2's.
The 1's I gave are images that were flipped, wich takes away the point of the contest. In my opinion.
I thougt seriously that these should be disqualified.
The 2 I gave, was for the one that finished last.
And to be honoust, that one really isn't mediocre. It was just horrible...

I have (had ) the habit to spread it more over the whole voting scale. Next times I'll keep it in the 5-8 range.
Then I'll be safe....

Thanks again, this was very helpfull.
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HoHouse
Republicans
9/24/2018 1:03:33 AM


Status: Commander in Chief
Just remember if you enter a contest your karma counts 10%, now you have to guess what the people, who have the high karma are voting high on, especially the top 4, that's were you lost karma.
When you have looked at as many Vote History as I have, you will see that the people who lose karma are 90% of the time in the contest, and you don't get your nickle, because you didn't vote fairly,so you wasted your time. I'm in it for the Nickles and being a pain in the ash around here. Not really just have to much time on my hands,and love what I've done for 6000 times here.
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CraftLord
Independents
9/24/2018 4:32:11 AM


Status: Teacher's Pet
I have viewed some vote histories now.
And I've noticed that often mediocre entries are given high points.
Mostly when political figures are used!!

So maybe I must add 1 point extra when political figures are used!?
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OllieR
Republicans
9/24/2018 3:16:16 PM


Status: Union Hack
I started out voting as more of a ranking which killed karma. Then, I figured it out and was putting "average" chops at about 6 and ones with major issues at 5. I saw that really good ones usually were still only 7s and maybe 8s. That worked for a while.

I wandered off for a bit, and voting seems to have gone up considerably from where it seems to have been. Now, there are lots of 7s, 8s, 9s. 7 seems to be the number most pick for what is the current average on the site.

I still rank them the same as I would with any number set, but I follow the higher scale that current voters seem to be following. I don't like it because I can't disperse my votes as much as I'd like without losing karma. And if I lose karma, then my votes don't count. I wish karma would look at the order they were ranked rather than a specific number. Or, I wish it were just a rank. Put them in order the way they should finish.

Regarding voting in contest you enter, it kind of sucks. More than once I think it's likely that I've been responsible for voting myself down. Which, I guess I'm OK with. I'd really rather be a team player.
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ReggieRey
Republicans
9/25/2018 2:38:16 AM


Status: Senator

On 9/23/2018 11:14:44 AM, CraftLord said:
Can someone please explain why my karma dropped to 1!

CraftLord, I see you have been with FN for a long while and it's great to see you back chopping. Also it's nice to see that you're interested in trying to better your voting skills. You entered great work with talent, but your voting was not good. I was thinking you gave 1's to the ones that didn’t quite follow the rules, but you let one slide with a 4, so wasn't sure. Either way you should flag an entry that you feel breaks the rules and or comment on the breach of rules in the entry's comment box. The voting has changed in 10 years, it use to lean toward the low end and has gradually moved toward the high end as it is now. But even then the 1, 2, and 3 were rarely used. To get a good idea of the voting of today, look to HoHouse's description of the 1 – 10 criteria for rating a chop in his comment below. He eliminates 1 and 2 as being so bad it should be flagged for removal. I also include 3 as being in that same category. I agree totally with HoHouse's examples of how to rate and score each level from 4 – 10. I've seen all the other photoshop contest sites, and FN has the best system IMO. The one thing I would like to see change since most entries fall between 6 and 8, would be adding half points to fine tune a rating. Many times I would have liked to give a 6.5 to one I thought fell between a 6 and a 7. As it stands, the more people that vote, the better it works.

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HoHouse
Republicans
9/25/2018 3:05:58 AM


Status: Commander in Chief
We don't have juries, we have 2 to 4 judges with high karma, all the people we have in a contest, their karma don't add up to one judge, so we have 2 peeps with all the voting power. A couple of contests ago, we had one member who hadn't be around in ages with 200 karma and he picked the winners, and he was good at low balling, the others who voted lost karma and their nickle and time.
If 5 is average then that's the starting point, I've wanted all peeps to have full karma, not just 2 judges with power, and 5 being the start with half points thru 10.

My time and your dime.
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CraftLord
Independents
9/25/2018 3:27:27 AM


Status: Teacher's Pet
Hmmmm,

So, there IS a voting scale, but one must not pay attention to it!
There actually is another rating system in place....

Ok, at this moment I'm not even sure if I even want to vote in future contests. It's more like a guessing game than actually expressing my own opinion on the quality of the entries.
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ReggieRey
Republicans
9/25/2018 5:40:47 AM


Status: Senator

On 9/25/2018 3:27:27 AM, CraftLord said:
Hmmmm, So, there IS a voting scale, but one must not pay attention to it!
There actually is another rating system in place....
Ok, at this moment I'm not even sure if I even want to vote in future contests. It's more like a guessing game than actually expressing my own opinion on the quality of the entries.



CraftLord: Yes there is a voting scale and it's not “another rating system” to not pay attention to. I referred you to HoHouse's comments because he was quoting straight from the FN guidelines. It's not complicated, the guidelines clearly say a entry that's a 1 or 2 should be removed, and I personally don't go down to a 3, but that's just me. Entries are DQed all the time, mostly for rule violations or not safe for work, but rarely because they are just not good enough. You should continue to vote it's the right thing to do and you have the expertise to know the quality of the entries.
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CraftLord
Independents
9/25/2018 6:49:31 AM


Status: Teacher's Pet
I refered to 'another rating system' to HoHouse's remark about "we have 2 peeps with all the voting power".
If that's true, than one must learn the way those 2 vote, to even gain karma. And in my humble opinon, I don't think it is fair at all that this system is dictated bij just 2 peeps...

But I think I'm a good sportsman and never voted an entry low in the hope of getting higher in the ranks. When one wants to get higher in the ranks, one must try to create greater entries.

The fun for me is mostly in the creating part.
An added bonus is when it actually is received in a positive way by others. At the moment, I'm a bit discouraged when it comes to voting. I used to have fun in voting to.

ReggieRey, you are probably right. I must continue to vote because it IS the right thing to do!!

I would like to thank everyone who has replied in this thread.
I got a lot of usefull info. Let's see how long it takes to get my 200 Karma back!!!
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MsgtBob
Republicans
9/25/2018 10:55:29 AM


Status: Commander in Chief

On 9/25/2018 6:49:31 AM, CraftLord said:
At the moment, I'm a bit discouraged when it comes to voting. I used to have fun in voting to.

ReggieRey, you are probably right. I must continue to vote because it IS the right thing to do!!


I have found that if you want to keep (or gain) karma here, then go up one point (at least)in what you think the entry should get (if it needs just some work, instead of giving it a 4, give it a 5, but comment on what needs work - some here actually go back and fix things).


My karma stills goes up and down like a yoyo, but that's life (ha).
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Aargh!

IcyAllEyeCan
Independents
10/8/2018 6:24:59 AM


Status: Commander in Chief
Karma is very hard here. Forget voting fair, stick to the range of 6-10. And 10s are rare.

You scored my flipped entry of Julia Roberts as a 1, I'm told. Now I read above you did that because I flipped the whole picture. But that is not an accurate reading of the rules, IMO, because it says flipped - but does not limit it to only the face. So her face was flipped AND the picture was flipped. But that's for the judges to contemplate in regards to following the rules. You'll never do well if you try to be a judge with your vote. Not here or at any site. Leave the qualifying and disqualifying to the actual judges.

I worked hard on that chop and was insulted by your vote. Now I am less insulted, but still suggest you stop trying to second guess the rules. Report it or don't, but vote based on the work -- and within the 6-10 range and your karma will increase.
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CraftLord
Independents
10/8/2018 8:27:34 AM


Status: Teacher's Pet
Hi IcyAllEyeCan,

I apologize for insulting you with my vote.
It was kind of a noob thing to do, but I gave your "Watson Is That You?" a 9. I hope that eases the pain a little.

Since I started this thread, and read all the comments, I adapted my voting behaviour. At the moment my karma is 31 and I've won a few voting stars. So I guess I'm on the right track!
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Bellita
Independents
10/21/2018 9:53:21 AM


Status: Flori-duh Voter
sorry if this question is too obvious, but How you know the vote? where i can see who and how vote in my entry?.
PS: Sorry if my english is not good, i do my best!
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CraftLord
Independents
10/21/2018 12:43:00 PM


Status: Teacher's Pet
Bellita,

When you go to your account and click on the name of an entry, you can see the 'Vote stats'. Right under there is a link 'who voted?'.
When you click on it, you see all the names that voted on your entry.

When you click on someone elses entry name, you see the names of the ones who voted on that entry. In this case, when you vote, you can see the score you gave that entry.
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ReggieRey
Republicans
10/21/2018 1:41:10 PM


Status: Senator
CraftLord, I think Bellita wants to know where to find the Vote History and who gave her certain votes, which this info is not shown.

Bellita,
Go to the main contest page you entered and click on "Vote History" in the Contest Options Box at the top right. This will show you who voted or didn't, average vote, number and % rated, current and changed karma, credit for fair voting (vote stars), and credits for winning. Everything exept who gave what vote to who. You can then view your Vote Stats, and sometimes get a idea of who gave you what with a little math and process of elimination. Many enjoy trying to figure out who gave them what, but it's mostly a guessing game exept for the indisputable vote that only one voter is possible of making.
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Bellita
Independents
10/21/2018 5:18:01 PM


Status: Flori-duh Voter
ohh ok, i was confused about that, because this forum post!
Thanks to CraftLord and Reggie for your time and explanation.
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