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AzureSky
1/20/2015 6:46:40 PM


Status: Commander in Chief
Losing Karma

Oh boy, I lost another 50 points on the Oscar contest. The ones I expected to place high were down the list. While some that had less work came higher.

I am really confused. I was losing karma for not voting high enough, now I lose it for voting too high. Clean clear work, technique and originality seem less important now.

Are people using smaller devices to view images these days? The blue parrots were beautifully done, The type had been added by the artist. The golden Michael Keaton Birdman strutting along was brilliant.

Oh well that is just my opinion. Obviously I have a lot to learn. It seems bobble heads are the flavour of the month. Subtlety isn't noticed. Fashions seem to change.
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NewsMaster
Independents
1/22/2015 1:07:33 PM


Status: Commander in Chief
I checked your voting in that contest and see that you voted excellently for the entries that ended in the top 10.
But it's the votes like 10 for this chop that ended with a weighted average below 7 that got your karma down somewhat.
http://www.freakingnews.com/Birdmen-Pictures-134744.asp

On a positive side, karma can be easily gained back in the coming contests.

[Edited by User on 1/22/2015 1:08:10 PM]
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Out of my mind. Back in five minutes.

AzureSky
Independents
1/22/2015 5:06:29 PM


Status: Commander in Chief

On 1/22/2015 1:07:33 PM, NewsMaster said:
I checked your voting in that contest and see that you voted excellently for the entries that ended in the top 10.
But it's the votes like 10 for this chop that ended with a weighted average below 7 that got your karma down somewhat.
http://www.freakingnews.com/Birdmen-Pictures-134744.asp

On a positive side, karma can be easily gained back in the coming contests.

[Edited by User on 1/22/2015 1:08:10 PM]



Oh dear, I think I know the one you mean. Sometimes I am blown away by an image that has had a lot of work done and appeals to my personal taste. Other times I have not understood the American humour. Some of it I do, but not all.

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Hitspinner
Independents
1/22/2015 9:01:46 PM


Status: Commander in Chief
Just vote per the guidelines honestly and your karma should sort itself out. I looked at your votes over the last few contests and see you made a few boo-boos. No biggie except for voting a bit too high and a bit too low on a winning chop or two. If a chop is pretty evident to you that in all honesty is an A+++, it's lowest votes are going to likely be in the low 8s per the experienced voters. Odds are those voters will recognize it as a strong chop and will vote accordingly as well. The 1 karma people are 1 karma because they don't know how to vote LOL Anyone with a little math skill can figure out who voted how much and for whom with a small margin for error and a few of us watch that very close. The low voters make it so very easy to identify them. So just follow Vlad's voting guidelines. In the end, the judges have the true deciding votes about 80% of the time from what a few of us have been able to formulate.
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AzureSky
Independents
1/23/2015 8:05:42 PM


Status: Commander in Chief

On 1/22/2015 9:01:46 PM, Hitspinner said:
Just vote per the guidelines honestly and your karma should sort itself out. I looked at your votes over the last few contests and see you made a few boo-boos. No biggie except for voting a bit too high and a bit too low on a winning chop or two. If a chop is pretty evident to you that in all honesty is an A+++, it's lowest votes are going to likely be in the low 8s per the experienced voters. Odds are those voters will recognize it as a strong chop and will vote accordingly as well. The 1 karma people are 1 karma because they don't know how to vote LOL Anyone with a little math skill can figure out who voted how much and for whom with a small margin for error and a few of us watch that very close. The low voters make it so very easy to identify them. So just follow Vlad's voting guidelines. In the end, the judges have the true deciding votes about 80% of the time from what a few of us have been able to formulate.



Thank you Tim. I have been trying to follow the guidelines. I don't always agree with the placings. I have seen some chops placed surprisingly low in my opinion. But I hope to be back in the swing of things soon.
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Hitspinner
Independents
1/23/2015 10:46:26 PM


Status: Commander in Chief
No prob, you will. It is just like riding a bike. I was gone on medical leave for two years and came back all discombobulated with new names, new styles and a surprisingly reformed voting pool that was far less critical and followed Vlad's guidelines. Me jaw went slack when I realized I was for once the "jerk" voting too low. So I got back up to speed by watching the voting trends and was so happy I almost cried. The medications I am sure had something to do with that hahahaahaah.
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AzureSky
Independents
1/24/2015 5:21:52 PM


Status: Commander in Chief

On 1/23/2015 10:46:26 PM, Hitspinner said:
No prob, you will. It is just like riding a bike. I was gone on medical leave for two years and came back all discombobulated with new names, new styles and a surprisingly reformed voting pool that was far less critical and followed Vlad's guidelines. Me jaw went slack when I realized I was for once the "jerk" voting too low. So I got back up to speed by watching the voting trends and was so happy I almost cried. The medications I am sure had something to do with that hahahaahaah.



I must admit the new fashions have caught me on the hop. I must make an effort to learn more about american politics. I must admit some of the political chops sail right over my head humour wise.

We have a general election coming up. This will be uber boring as the three main parties fight cat and dog, There are four other parties UKIP, SNP, Green and Plaid Cymru.

UKIP want to get us out of Europe, cut down immigration and make us less of a nanny state. I believe the UK have more laws than just about any other country in the world.

The sentences for violent crime and paedophiles are crazy. You really would not understand the light sentences people get. Yet other crimes such as use racial insults are jumped on, unless they are against white people.

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Hitspinner
Independents
1/24/2015 7:34:35 PM


Status: Commander in Chief
And it is all by design of the social engineers sponsored by Rothschild, Rockefellers and a select group of other one-world bankers. Social and cultural decomposition is a program activated many decades ago by the perversely wealthy that want to make sure they stay that way. What better way than if there is a ruling class of untouchables and a worker class held at poverty levels? And just because I do believe in conspiracies does not mean they are not true
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AzureSky
Independents
1/24/2015 7:57:20 PM


Status: Commander in Chief

On 1/24/2015 7:34:35 PM, Hitspinner said:
And it is all by design of the social engineers sponsored by Rothschild, Rockefellers and a select group of other one-world bankers. Social and cultural decomposition is a program activated many decades ago by the perversely wealthy that want to make sure they stay that way. What better way than if there is a ruling class of untouchables and a worker class held at poverty levels? And just because I do believe in conspiracies does not mean they are not true



You right, the aristocracy or ruling class as they like to call themselves have been determined to keep the lower classes at bay by keeping them poor.
When I was young, I came across older people who were proud to have been in service for grand titled people. They were fond of knowing their place and not getting ideas above their station.

Britain was ruined by two world wars. Both of which could have been avoided if the stupid leaders had not jumped in with both feet. The decision to declare war on Germany when it did, was insane and unnecessary. Britain should have held back and waited. In both cases, it was done because of ill advised treaties with volatile countries.

Darn typo



[Edited by User on 1/24/2015 7:58:35 PM]
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Hitspinner
Independents
1/25/2015 4:08:41 AM


Status: Commander in Chief
Yep. Wars are started and fought for wealth. Any other claim is a smokescreen.
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AzureSky
Independents
1/25/2015 6:55:00 AM


Status: Commander in Chief

On 1/25/2015 4:08:41 AM, Hitspinner said:
Yep. Wars are started and fought for wealth. Any other claim is a smokescreen.



Serves them right when they lose. Britain got it's comeuppance for all the years of Colonial rule, going in and stealing valuable resources, and ruining the native culture. Worse making them work all day long for little pay.
Did you know Rhodesia, (now Zimbabwe) was bought for a string of worthless beads.

Spain and Portugal were no better, the way they colonised South America. They plundered so many sacred places and forced the natives to become Catholics. Missionaries softened up the locals, so the powerful predatory countries could move in.

As for North America, that is a whole other story. I don't know where to start. As you rightly said, it is all about greed, power and money. We are reaping what was sown in the past. Henry VIII was one of the most wicked despots ever, his daughter Elizabeth I, played a major role in the Colonisation.

The Rothschilds, Rockefellers and the rest don'r seem to suffer any ill effects. Then you have the Illuninati and Freemasons. We are already beginning to find out how much corruption there is in British Politics. Then there are those in high places who practice the dark arts. That horrible Jimmy Saville was into them.

No wonder the Apocalypse is on it's way. Can it be stopped? I have no idea.

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Hitspinner
Independents
1/25/2015 3:27:18 PM


Status: Commander in Chief
Indeed. You can't say Illuninati without saying the Rothschilds or Rockefellers in the same breath.
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AzureSky
Independents
1/25/2015 3:32:48 PM


Status: Commander in Chief

On 1/25/2015 3:27:18 PM, Hitspinner said:
Indeed. You can't say Illuninati without saying the Rothschilds or Rockefellers in the same breath.



Frightening when you think about it. I wonder who else is in it.

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IcyAllEyeCan
Independents
1/25/2015 8:32:44 PM


Status: Commander in Chief
Back on the topic of this thread, I just want to add that I recently realized an issue with this voting method here -- too few voters. Seems to average about 14 voters. So if five of them agree, you better have the same brain as they do, the same likes, the same basis for votes. And it AIN'T what is said in the FAQs because they are ignored too much of the time. When I pursued karma here, I stayed in the 5-9 range with much of that between 6-8. Even if something was really bad, there's no chance it's scoring a final score below 4, so why give something a 4 ever? No chop anywhere has ever scored a ten that I've seen, so why would I ever give something a 10 if I care about karma?

by the way, I just don't vote anymore. Well, rarely, but I always regret it because it makes me feel dishonest when I'm honest.
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Hitspinner
Independents
1/25/2015 9:52:52 PM


Status: Commander in Chief
I have several reasons to not vote once in a while but curiously, I don't vote if I feel I would be too critical. There is upon occasion contests when everybody just had an 'off day'. It is rare but it happens.
I do know what you mean about too few voters and all being 'like minded'. It is just part of the game I guess. I have gone 16 0r 17 contests without a gold. For me, that is a WTF is going on? I guess I simply fell off the flavor of the week or month and some other chopping style dominates. It is cyclic, Icy. It will be your turn once you find that magic blend that turns heads and it won't matter if it is 1 or 100 voters. An OMG chop rarely ever looses to anything other than another OMG chop In the arena with these super chops, one looks like an idiot to disobey the guidelines. So personally, I think the best defense to stomping on those that ignore the rules is to chop so frigging good they don't dare or suffer embarrassment. Cheers
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AzureSky
Independents
1/26/2015 6:14:48 AM


Status: Commander in Chief

On 1/25/2015 9:52:52 PM, Hitspinner said:
I have several reasons to not vote once in a while but curiously, I don't vote if I feel I would be too critical. There is upon occasion contests when everybody just had an 'off day'. It is rare but it happens.
I do know what you mean about too few voters and all being 'like minded'. It is just part of the game I guess. I have gone 16 0r 17 contests without a gold. For me, that is a WTF is going on? I guess I simply fell off the flavor of the week or month and some other chopping style dominates. It is cyclic, Icy. It will be your turn once you find that magic blend that turns heads and it won't matter if it is 1 or 100 voters. An OMG chop rarely ever looses to anything other than another OMG chop In the arena with these super chops, one looks like an idiot to disobey the guidelines. So personally, I think the best defense to stomping on those that ignore the rules is to chop so frigging good they don't dare or suffer embarrassment. Cheers



You are right about FN being cyclic. I am beginning to understand what is popular and my Karma is rising. I have just voted in the News contest which has some outstanding entries.
Realism is definitely out of fashion right now. It seems entries with a lot of content are popular, especially if the figures are bobble heads or caricatures. I need to study them and try doing some.
Not being as clever as the top choppers here, I aim for the top ten at the moment. I will keep plugging away though.
You never know I might surprise everyone one fine day!

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Hitspinner
Independents
1/26/2015 10:30:33 AM


Status: Commander in Chief

On 1/26/2015 6:14:48 AM, AzureSky said:

On 1/25/2015 9:52:52 PM, Hitspinner said:
I have several reasons to not vote once in a while but curiously, I don't vote if I feel I would be too critical. There is upon occasion contests when everybody just had an 'off day'. It is rare but it happens.
I do know what you mean about too few voters and all being 'like minded'. It is just part of the game I guess. I have gone 16 0r 17 contests without a gold. For me, that is a WTF is going on? I guess I simply fell off the flavor of the week or month and some other chopping style dominates. It is cyclic, Icy. It will be your turn once you find that magic blend that turns heads and it won't matter if it is 1 or 100 voters. An OMG chop rarely ever looses to anything other than another OMG chop In the arena with these super chops, one looks like an idiot to disobey the guidelines. So personally, I think the best defense to stomping on those that ignore the rules is to chop so frigging good they don't dare or suffer embarrassment. Cheers



You are right about FN being cyclic. I am beginning to understand what is popular and my Karma is rising. I have just voted in the News contest which has some outstanding entries.
Realism is definitely out of fashion right now. It seems entries with a lot of content are popular, especially if the figures are bobble heads or caricatures. I need to study them and try doing some.
Not being as clever as the top choppers here, I aim for the top ten at the moment. I will keep plugging away though.
You never know I might surprise everyone one fine day!



I am sure you will LOL. Actually I think bobble heads ran their course a long time ago but everyone is kind of accustomed to them as a standard. I am a bit sick of doing and seeing them, personally but nothing I put out has inspired me or anyone to switch wagons. I thought Jeremix was really on to something with the cartoon adaptions/3d style builds but then he hung a left over to what he is doing now. That sort of spun me around LOL
I think the timing is great for a new revolutionary "Wowie" style for some inventive chopper to fill. Well... the pickins are always ripe for that
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AzureSky
Independents
1/26/2015 4:33:36 PM


Status: Commander in Chief

On 1/26/2015 10:30:33 AM, Hitspinner said:

On 1/26/2015 6:14:48 AM, AzureSky said:

On 1/25/2015 9:52:52 PM, Hitspinner said:
I have several reasons to not vote once in a while but curiously, I don't vote if I feel I would be too critical. There is upon occasion contests when everybody just had an 'off day'. It is rare but it happens.
I do know what you mean about too few voters and all being 'like minded'. It is just part of the game I guess. I have gone 16 0r 17 contests without a gold. For me, that is a WTF is going on? I guess I simply fell off the flavor of the week or month and some other chopping style dominates. It is cyclic, Icy. It will be your turn once you find that magic blend that turns heads and it won't matter if it is 1 or 100 voters. An OMG chop rarely ever looses to anything other than another OMG chop In the arena with these super chops, one looks like an idiot to disobey the guidelines. So personally, I think the best defense to stomping on those that ignore the rules is to chop so frigging good they don't dare or suffer embarrassment. Cheers



You are right about FN being cyclic. I am beginning to understand what is popular and my Karma is rising. I have just voted in the News contest which has some outstanding entries.
Realism is definitely out of fashion right now. It seems entries with a lot of content are popular, especially if the figures are bobble heads or caricatures. I need to study them and try doing some.
Not being as clever as the top choppers here, I aim for the top ten at the moment. I will keep plugging away though.
You never know I might surprise everyone one fine day!



I am sure you will LOL. Actually I think bobble heads ran their course a long time ago but everyone is kind of accustomed to them as a standard. I am a bit sick of doing and seeing them, personally but nothing I put out has inspired me or anyone to switch wagons. I thought Jeremix was really on to something with the cartoon adaptions/3d style builds but then he hung a left over to what he is doing now. That sort of spun me around LOL
I think the timing is great for a new revolutionary "Wowie" style for some inventive chopper to fill. Well... the pickins are always ripe for that



I will put my thinking cap on. Let's hope we get some nice interesting bobble head free chops soon
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GarRobMil
Independents
1/26/2015 6:01:54 PM


Status: Commander in Chief
I do not have a problem with so called "bobble head" images, which are in fact better described as caricatures. Fortunately, most of the caricatures submitted to FN are, in my opinion, exceptionally well done with humor and satire. Also, the overall images by these choppers are suburb in detail, background and technique.

From Wikipedia:

A caricature is a rendered image showing the features of its subject in a simplified or exaggerated way. In literature, a caricature is a description of a person using exaggeration of some characteristics and oversimplification of others.

Caricatures can be insulting or complimentary and can serve a political purpose or be drawn solely for entertainment. Caricatures of politicians are commonly used in editorial cartoons, while caricatures of movie stars are often found in entertainment magazines.
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AzureSky
Independents
1/26/2015 6:31:05 PM


Status: Commander in Chief

On 1/26/2015 6:01:54 PM, GarRobMil said:
I do not have a problem with so called "bobble head" images, which are in fact better described as caricatures. Fortunately, most of the caricatures submitted to FN are, in my opinion, exceptionally well done with humor and satire. Also, the overall images by these choppers are suburb in detail, background and technique.

From Wikipedia:

A caricature is a rendered image showing the features of its subject in a simplified or exaggerated way. In literature, a caricature is a description of a person using exaggeration of some characteristics and oversimplification of others.

Caricatures can be insulting or complimentary and can serve a political purpose or be drawn solely for entertainment. Caricatures of politicians are commonly used in editorial cartoons, while caricatures of movie stars are often found in entertainment magazines.



My problem is not with the caricatures themselves, which are, on the whole very good. My problem is the way they are being copied over and over again. I can think of one artist in particular who is being slavishly imitated by another artist.

I would like to see people developing their own talent. Funkwood for example is amazing, I can recognise his chops easily, likewise Jerimix, pcrdds and Hitspinner. I joined FN 10 years ago and can remember a time when there was much more variety.

I know exactly what caricatures are. Maybe I had better do some, on the principle "If you can't beat 'em join 'em.

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Hitspinner
Independents
1/26/2015 8:24:19 PM


Status: Commander in Chief
Bobble head is just a lazy term I also employ to cover the spectrum of large head, smaller body cartooning type styles. The skill we muster to create the caricatures would never be in question, just the over use in my humble opinion. But I don't have a better solution so really shouldn't even discuss it. I just find that after doing at least 6 or 700 I get bored, even though I try different techniques.
Maybe I should go over the top fantastic 3D style and perhaps get the spark back? Dunno, I'll give it a go. Sure am open to ideas...
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