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Qtrmoonshop
5/18/2013 6:03:06 PM


Status: Commander in Chief
BOBBLEHEADS

WOW I have to say, and this is most assuredly no disrespect to Hitspinner's winning chop, but it's confusing and disappointing to me, to see a chop win, that doesn't quite follow the rules as closely as the ones that it placed in front of. Maybe I'm wrong, but the contest directions specified "Note how he keeps them as photo-realistic as possible, so celebrities in his works actually look like big-headed freaks. Yeah, that's one of the reasons Photoshop was created!
Take any celebrities and turn them into bobbleheads as in the examples above".

The winning chop, although a great chop, and showing excellent chopping skills, features a bobble-headed caricature of a celebrity, which doesn't really follow the "photo realistic" criteria in the directions nearly as well as others including the other winners, who also show great chopping skills. To me, the whole identity of Reddit user SamuEL's work, which the contest was supposedly emulating, is that the images are all extremely "photo realistic". Any thoughts?

P.S. I didn't submit an entry in this contest, just an observer.

[Edited by 'Qtrmoonshop' on 5/18/2013 6:05:54 PM]
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AzureSky
Independents
5/18/2013 10:13:06 PM


Status: Commander in Chief

On 5/18/2013 6:03:06 PM, Qtrmoonshop said:
WOW I have to say, and this is most assuredly no disrespect to Hitspinner's winning chop, but it's confusing and disappointing to me, to see a chop win, that doesn't quite follow the rules as closely as the ones that it placed in front of. Maybe I'm wrong, but the contest directions specified "Note how he keeps them as photo-realistic as possible, so celebrities in his works actually look like big-headed freaks. Yeah, that's one of the reasons Photoshop was created!
Take any celebrities and turn them into bobbleheads as in the examples above".

The winning chop, although a great chop, and showing excellent chopping skills, features a bobble-headed caricature of a celebrity, which doesn't really follow the "photo realistic" criteria in the directions nearly as well as others including the other winners, who also show great chopping skills. To me, the whole identity of Reddit user SamuEL's work, which the contest was supposedly emulating, is that the images are all extremely "photo realistic". Any thoughts?

P.S. I didn't submit an entry in this contest, just an observer.
/reply]

Yes I did notice various entries which didn't follow the directions. However that bothered me less than the sheer flood of entries from certain artists. 17 in once case 11 in another. Others had a few.

I abstained from voting for this reason. I would rather those who plaster the contests with multiple entries spend their time creating really stunning entries that would have a chance of winning.

It is an old hobby horse of mine. Why can't heavily subscribed contests have a limit of THREE so they don't miss the chance of a trifecta. What do you think Billy? I know you can wipe the floor with most of us.

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Kellie
Independents
5/18/2013 10:57:52 PM
Status: Commander in Chief
Xtine no matter how much you say it there will be no limit on entry submissions, and if you ask me, those members that "you pointed out" about submitting too many images actually contributed top quality images to the contest.

As for QMShop comment, yes I agree it did not follow the theme of the contest as per realistically, but sometimes you just gotta take what the voters deem they like and deal with it.

It was a very good image and many hrs of work were put into it one can see that.

Anyways good luck when entering again, I like the both of your works.
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Hitspinner
Independents
5/19/2013 12:34:09 AM


Status: Commander in Chief
Uhhhh the answer is simple and two fold. An observation...
Voters vote for the extra cherries on top moreso as a general rule than they do on straight very well executed technical chops. In the "Goalie" contest I delivered a near perfect 10 on the technical scale, carefull to nit pick it to death. Ugggh, Wasted my time, was an absolute failure. The stupid humorous one where the guy gets his head punched in with the ball smoked the better technically produced chop. I spent a few months testing the waters here once I got back from my recovery and ... they like cherries on top - eye candy. No doubt I have proved I can deliver studio quality retouching, New Jersey I made my living at it. And as much as I like the flawless head and face swaps.... they ain't going to win me the $5 lol If I could trust everyone to vote standardly with a pro eye to the evaluations in contests... that'd be great. But voting here is really geared around manipulation, composition and effects skills. It's entertainment and the "Wow" factor on a simple great chop is all but lost due to the fact that soooooo many people can do top quality work as good as the next guy. So, if you don't have something extra to say or get the voter's attention...well, don't be surprised if you get lost among all the other well executed chops. I mean, I think it really is that simple. I reckon what draws people to the site is the wierd stuff and eye candy. The average Joe probably isn't going to notice much difference between Oprah ont Mat dillon with a big head, but put a stupid expression on their face or a fly on their nose and.. you lock the guy's attention even if only for that extra second. Might mean a slightly higher vote.
Being that my highest purpose here is to drive people to the site and entertain, I try to stay on that course even if I do bend the rules and diviate here and there.
The second thing is a bobblehead is a little plastic or ceramic figurine with a large spring held head. When I did Einstein, I realized my error once I read the directions fully. So, I did Johnny as a back-up not knowing if Einstein would be disqualified. Then I thought, the confusion was in the term, "bobblehead" and what really constituded a bobblehead. And per the definition, Einstein was more to the point than any of em... So, by my sense of fair play I would give the chop a pass. Until read the rules I had never heard of SamuEL, wonder what he would think?
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IcyAllEyeCan
Independents
5/19/2013 2:56:52 AM


Status: Commander in Chief
Two things -- though I voted for a limit on entries, I also realized that would never happen and was just an exercise in opinions. And then a contest like this one comes along, which I love -- I could have done 100 and would have treated them all with respect and concern. IN fact, I did a few that I didn't enter because they were not good. I did enter seven and got the silver with one of the better source picture ones. I thought my Marilyn Monroe was better -- but I'm happy enough to win with whatever chop the voters put up there. The first one I created was the Nicki Minaj chop and then entered it last and had to reedit and still effed it up somewhat -- sad, because I spent a lot of time and tried to do what Hitspinner has noted above as working: adding extras to get the voter to laugh and pause and be more generous.

Second thing: I did this a few weeks ago with the chop about the new Dutch King -- purposely ignored adding shadows or working too hard to make it look photorealistic because those efforts are wasted here more of the time than not. I tried to make it funny -- and it worked.

Every game has rules, every site has its favored nations. I cannot fix the karma thing, so I gave up and just decided to have more fun and worry less about perfection -- go the route of the ones that get on top despite their flaws.

Come on, Azure! You can do it, too!

[Edited by User on 5/19/2013 2:57:06 AM]
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Hitspinner
Independents
5/19/2013 4:53:52 AM


Status: Commander in Chief

On 5/19/2013 2:56:52 AM, IcyAllEyeCan said:
Two things -- though I voted for a limit on entries, I also realized that would never happen and was just an exercise in opinions. And then a contest like this one comes along, which I love -- I could have done 100 and would have treated them all with respect and concern. IN fact, I did a few that I didn't enter because they were not good. I did enter seven and got the silver with one of the better source picture ones. I thought my Marilyn Monroe was better -- but I'm happy enough to win with whatever chop the voters put up there. The first one I created was the Nicki Minaj chop and then entered it last and had to reedit and still effed it up somewhat -- sad, because I spent a lot of time and tried to do what Hitspinner has noted above as working: adding extras to get the voter to laugh and pause and be more generous.

Second thing: I did this a few weeks ago with the chop about the new Dutch King -- purposely ignored adding shadows or working too hard to make it look photorealistic because those efforts are wasted here more of the time than not. I tried to make it funny -- and it worked.

Every game has rules, every site has its favored nations. I cannot fix the karma thing, so I gave up and just decided to have more fun and worry less about perfection -- go the route of the ones that get on top despite their flaws.

Come on, Azure! You can do it, too!

[Edited by User on 5/19/2013 2:57:06 AM]



I see the truth. There are a few people that win on content, funny chops, that lack attention to details such as accurate shadowing, perspective, sizing... pretty long list. That is why I pretty much keep my mouth shut and let it go though there is plenty to critique. It's not my job to minimize others efforts and I critique only if I feel I can really help. At least I hope I do LOL
I think that is must be frustrating for choppers with well grounded basic skills to have to compete with super creative veterans on the vanguard of the craft. My advice on that, dump your fixed ideas on what should or could or needs to be and think in terms of zero limits. They did.
In truth only we hold the chains that hold us back.
Whatever works. Thanks for the input.
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Ariel9
Independents
5/19/2013 9:05:10 AM


Status: Joe Taxpayer
Hello all
I always try my best in my entries, and sometimes I get very discouraged with the results in the contests (almost every time to be honest), but in the end, we all choppers, chop for the pleasure, I don't care about the money or the trophies, I just want to give the best I can and improve each time, Sometimes I get kind comments, sometimes, someone appreciate...
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AzureSky
Independents
5/19/2013 10:23:10 AM


Status: Commander in Chief
Icy I thought your chops were great and actually 7 isn't unreasonable. It is the 10 plus entries that annoy me.
Mine wasn't very exciting I know and I didn't think it would win or place top 10.

Tim, I thought your winning entry stood out a mile and so did Einstein. I still think some kind of limit is needed if the contest get flooded with 20 plus entries from one chopper. I have seen as many as 42 in the past.

Yes the multi choppers do tend to produce quality work. I still don't see why they need to enter so many. I know I might as well try to hold beck the tide, but I just wanted to state my personal feelings.

No hard feelings.

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Qtrmoonshop
Independents
5/19/2013 11:28:56 AM


Status: Commander in Chief

On 5/18/2013 10:13:06 PM, AzureSky said:


Yes I did notice various entries which didn't follow the directions. However that bothered me less than the sheer flood of entries from certain artists. 17 in once case 11 in another. Others had a few.

I abstained from voting for this reason. I would rather those who plaster the contests with multiple entries spend their time creating really stunning entries that would have a chance of winning.

It is an old hobby horse of mine. Why can't heavily subscribed contests have a limit of THREE so they don't miss the chance of a trifecta. What do you think Billy? I know you can wipe the floor with most of us.


Hi Christine ... I understand your frustration, especially when it comes to voting in a contest with so many entries, but I also see Kellie's and the Admin's point on the subject, and I have to agree on the "more the merrier" mindset. I guess if you find them too daunting to deal with, then opt for not entering those contests.
In regards to the Bobbleheads contest, I still think the "photo realistic" aspect should have been considered a priority in the voting for this particular contest where that was, after all said and done, the essence of the work the contest was honoring. Once again, this is not inferring that the winning chopper cheated in any way, and certainly intends no disrespect to his marvelous chopping skills and ideas. I just thought it would have been great to see one of the chops that really stuck to the photo realistic aspect of the theme actually take home the #1 prize!

[Edited by User on 5/19/2013 11:35:25 AM]
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Hitspinner
Independents
5/19/2013 2:11:45 PM


Status: Commander in Chief
I got ya QTR and I agree. Just isn't realistic IMO given the nature of what folks vote higest on.. if ya want to win that is. And I do. I have a planet sized ego and maybe that is what drives me to reach deep and try to give the best performance possible LOL
I used to get beat up for stressing choppers develop illustrative skills because the creative/superchop styles were the only logical place chopping could go. The good get better and will always try to bust out with creative innovation and craftiness. It's just what we artist do and what we are I think. Don't get me wrong, there is still a hellova lot of satisfaction in a perfectly crafted, basic chop. Actually all a superchop is, is a bunch of perfectly crafted basic chops melded together with a far higher degree of imagination and in some cases a higher degree of manipulation. That's how I look at it anyway and if I cross my eyes I see it twice as much.
We could agree to a contest that forbids anything but snip and paste and cololor/contrast correction. Vlad could supply us ...say 10 source pics that must be used to create the chop. That might be one animal of a competition...limit 3. LOL We could do that evey now and again just to satisfy the purist chopper in us. Call it "Back To Freakingnews Basics" or something
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Qtrmoonshop
Independents
5/19/2013 6:36:11 PM


Status: Commander in Chief

On 5/19/2013 2:11:45 PM, Hitspinner said:
I got ya QTR and I agree. Just isn't realistic IMO given the nature of what folks vote higest on.. if ya want to win that is. And I do. I have a planet sized ego and maybe that is what drives me to reach deep and try to give the best performance possible LOL
I used to get beat up for stressing choppers develop illustrative skills because the creative/superchop styles were the only logical place chopping could go. The good get better and will always try to bust out with creative innovation and craftiness. It's just what we artist do and what we are I think. Don't get me wrong, there is still a hellova lot of satisfaction in a perfectly crafted, basic chop. Actually all a superchop is, is a bunch of perfectly crafted basic chops melded together with a far higher degree of imagination and in some cases a higher degree of manipulation. That's how I look at it anyway and if I cross my eyes I see it twice as much.
We could agree to a contest that forbids anything but snip and paste and cololor/contrast correction. Vlad could supply us ...say 10 source pics that must be used to create the chop. That might be one animal of a competition...limit 3. LOL We could do that evey now and again just to satisfy the purist chopper in us. Call it "Back To Freakingnews Basics" or something



Thanks for your responses, H.S. and Congrats on your Gold for The Bobbleheads, as I mentioned earlier, it was a great chop!
I completely agree, and feel the same way in regards to general "chopping tips for winning" here FN. I just feel that certain contests, and only those certain contests, that are based on a very specific style of Photoshopping, should be chopped and voted based on that distinct criteria. The rest of the time, GO NUTS!

- Cheers!




[Edited by User on 5/19/2013 6:39:52 PM]
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IcyAllEyeCan
Independents
5/19/2013 8:03:43 PM


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I think that's a great idea: Freaking News College. Follow the path; do not deviate from the path. I'm in!
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Hitspinner
Independents
5/20/2013 6:50:38 PM


Status: Commander in Chief
Would probably be harder than it sounds. Everyone on a level playing field and all.
Qtrm I try to behave and follow rules, I really do, I just cant. I was born a befukup and will die a befukup. I was voted most likely to throw beer cans off the Empire State building LOL
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