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AzureSky
8/25/2012 6:37:53 PM


Status: Commander in Chief
Surprised at results

I just had a look through the Camel contest. I was surprised that some very good entries came so low. I won't name names as it is not fair. Apart from Mundo who had some great entries which cam too low in my opinion.

I wasn't able to vote because our hot water tank flooded and was busy clearing up the mess and moving stuff off our bed so we had somewhere to sleep. I would lost a lot of karma If I had.
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Malcolmxy
Independents
8/27/2012 2:13:03 AM


Status: Attorney General
I didn't look at the whole contest, but I think mine was about right in its placement.

It was a cool idea, but the execution was poor. When I got done with it, though, I just didn't care about it enough to start over and do a better job, so I just threw it in there because it was a neat idea, but I had no allusions as to how it would do.

I don't know...maybe it deserved like 30th place or something, but at that point, what's the difference? Not enough to worry about it, that's for sure.
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vicspa
Independents
8/27/2012 6:58:09 AM


Status: Commander in Chief

On 8/25/2012 6:37:53 PM, AzureSky said:
I just had a look through the Camel contest. I was surprised that some very good entries came so low. I won't name names as it is not fair. Apart from Mundo who had some great entries which cam too low in my opinion.

I wasn't able to vote because our hot water tank flooded and was busy clearing up the mess and moving stuff off our bed so we had somewhere to sleep. I would lost a lot of karma If I had.



Hi Azure, thanks for the compliment on my entry. I think when there are so many entries to vote on we view them for a shorter period of time and sometimes bypass something that just didn't catch your eye right away. Subtlety in such cases just does not work. in my humble opinion of-course.


[Edited by Moderator on 8/27/2012 7:10:08 AM]
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Malcolmxy
Independents
8/27/2012 11:56:24 PM


Status: Attorney General

On 8/27/2012 6:58:09 AM, vicspa said:

On 8/25/2012 6:37:53 PM, AzureSky said:
I just had a look through the Camel contest. I was surprised that some very good entries came so low. I won't name names as it is not fair. Apart from Mundo who had some great entries which cam too low in my opinion.

I wasn't able to vote because our hot water tank flooded and was busy clearing up the mess and moving stuff off our bed so we had somewhere to sleep. I would lost a lot of karma If I had.



Hi Azure, thanks for the compliment on my entry. I think when there are so many entries to vote on we view them for a shorter period of time and sometimes bypass something that just didn't catch your eye right away. Subtlety in such cases just does not work. in my humble opinion of-course.


[Edited by Moderator on 8/27/2012 7:10:08 AM]



dude, save some wins for everyone else.

Also, while I know they are obviously winners for you, the caricatures are getting just as stale as everyone else's. I can't quite seem to crack them such that they work for here, and so I still make attempts (for the inevitable comment that might follow), but I think you got 'em down.

More of them, while likely to win, will stifle your creativity which has always been something I enjoyed about your work. I didn't see the camel entry, but that creativity seems to be falling by the wayside in lieu of grabbing at the brass ring.

This is understandable on some level, but since the money here ain't gettin' anyone rich (except newsie... ), what's more valuable - your artistic development/mental acuity, or $5?

(and, I ain't sayin' don't ever do them or don't throw one down just to show you can win with it from time to time, but they're increasing in frequency to the point where there ain't much else that I'm seein' from you, and that means anything else is reducing in frequency to the point of extinction...)
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AzureSky
Independents
8/28/2012 3:52:30 AM


Status: Commander in Chief


Hi Azure, thanks for the compliment on my entry. I think when there are so many entries to vote on we view them for a shorter period of time and sometimes bypass something that just didn't catch your eye right away. Subtlety in such cases just does not work. in my humble opinion of-course.


[Edited by Moderator on 8/27/2012 7:10:08 AM]


dude, save some wins for everyone else.

Also, while I know they are obviously winners for you, the caricatures are getting just as stale as everyone else's. I can't quite seem to crack them such that they work for here, and so I still make attempts (for the inevitable comment that might follow), but I think you got 'em down.

More of them, while likely to win, will stifle your creativity which has always been something I enjoyed about your work. I didn't see the camel entry, but that creativity seems to be falling by the wayside in lieu of grabbing at the brass ring.

This is understandable on some level, but since the money here ain't gettin' anyone rich (except newsie... ), what's more valuable - your artistic development/mental acuity, or $5?

(and, I ain't sayin' don't ever do them or don't throw one down just to show you can win with it from time to time, but they're increasing in frequency to the point where there ain't much else that I'm seein' from you, and that means anything else is reducing in frequency to the point of extinction...)


Vic's Prince Harry was absolutely ACE in my opinion. There was so much detail. The lighting effects were great. Overall, it had a really polished professional look.

Caricatures are not easy by any means. Vic has certainly cracked it so he has been using his creativity by mastering them.
Vic's chops are not just big heads, the are caricatures.

I see many fantasy fairy tale chops coming up now. That is not really what Freaking News is about. In my opinion, ethereal pretty girls swathed in mist have nothing to do with news.

Malcolm, your ideas are good. All you need really is photoshop to get the style and finish that seems to succeed here. Adobe Elements would be a help if you could get it.

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Malcolmxy
Independents
8/28/2012 5:23:48 AM


Status: Attorney General

On 8/28/2012 3:52:30 AM, AzureSky said:


Hi Azure, thanks for the compliment on my entry. I think when there are so many entries to vote on we view them for a shorter period of time and sometimes bypass something that just didn't catch your eye right away. Subtlety in such cases just does not work. in my humble opinion of-course.


[Edited by Moderator on 8/27/2012 7:10:08 AM]



dude, save some wins for everyone else.

Also, while I know they are obviously winners for you, the caricatures are getting just as stale as everyone else's. I can't quite seem to crack them such that they work for here, and so I still make attempts (for the inevitable comment that might follow), but I think you got 'em down.

More of them, while likely to win, will stifle your creativity which has always been something I enjoyed about your work. I didn't see the camel entry, but that creativity seems to be falling by the wayside in lieu of grabbing at the brass ring.

This is understandable on some level, but since the money here ain't gettin' anyone rich (except newsie... ), what's more valuable - your artistic development/mental acuity, or $5?

(and, I ain't sayin' don't ever do them or don't throw one down just to show you can win with it from time to time, but they're increasing in frequency to the point where there ain't much else that I'm seein' from you, and that means anything else is reducing in frequency to the point of extinction...)


Vic's Prince Harry was absolutely ACE in my opinion. There was so much detail. The lighting effects were great. Overall, it had a really polished professional look.

Caricatures are not easy by any means. Vic has certainly cracked it so he has been using his creativity by mastering them.
Vic's chops are not just big heads, the are caricatures.

I see many fantasy fairy tale chops coming up now. That is not really what Freaking News is about. In my opinion, ethereal pretty girls swathed in mist have nothing to do with news.




Vic is da man, but I liked him better when he was complainin' 'bout losin'.

He's gonna hit the top 10 faster, I imagine, than anyone in this joint's history, except for the 1st top ten folks (i.e. after contest #1).

Those fantasy pics are all about source image (like the ones you once sent me). They take some realistically painted piece, add a moon and call it good...and it totally works. That's the stupid part.
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vicspa
Independents
8/28/2012 7:34:24 AM


Status: Commander in Chief
Hi Malcolm, I just responded to your comments, and then the site crashed on me and lost it all, not so sure I want to repeat myself again, since I went on and on and on, but I will. Gotta get to work now, talk later. Thanks to you and Christine.
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JCSUPERMAN
Independents
8/28/2012 6:14:35 PM


Status: White House Intern
Hello,

I don't mean to intrude on your topic,just based on the name
I thought it would be a good place for me to ask a question,so I apologize if this is not the right place

On the teleprompter contest my entry was in second place for awhile then it went way down,now granted I thought I would get top 15 or so with a ok chance of placing pretty high based on all the entries but I worked hard on it and thought it looked pretty good,so when I go 20 something place I was a little shocked,now that's not taking anything away from anyone who won or placed higher at all cause there was alot of awesome entries,I was just wondering..was this more based on the concept you think,like mine wasn't funny or clever enough or did it have any major problems keeping it from placing higher?

I hope this is an ok place to ask your opinions,thanks again and have a great day,

JC
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Malcolmxy
Independents
8/28/2012 6:26:27 PM


Status: Attorney General

On 8/28/2012 6:14:35 PM, JCSUPERMAN said:
Hello,

I don't mean to intrude on your topic,just based on the name
I thought it would be a good place for me to ask a question,so I apologize if this is not the right place

On the teleprompter contest my entry was in second place for awhile then it went way down,now granted I thought I would get top 15 or so with a ok chance of placing pretty high based on all the entries but I worked hard on it and thought it looked pretty good,so when I go 20 something place I was a little shocked,now that's not taking anything away from anyone who won or placed higher at all cause there was alot of awesome entries,I was just wondering..was this more based on the concept you think,like mine wasn't funny or clever enough or did it have any major problems keeping it from placing higher?

I hope this is an ok place to ask your opinions,thanks again and have a great day,

JC



A. don't use the sunspot effect. It's like the photoshop equivalent of comic sans.

B. your images are too soft. Find larger, crisper ones (i don't care, but the voters do.

C. too dark

All that said, it's a cool idea...I didn't see a lot in that contest worth liking and I would have ranked you higher, but that's why my karma can't get out of the cellar, probably.

Check the tutorial section for some tips to punch up your stuff...
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JCSUPERMAN
Independents
8/28/2012 6:41:33 PM


Status: White House Intern
Thanks for you comments

I agree with A,I wasn't sure about it cause I have never really used it much before,I thought it added an extra element but I know know that it's not a good one lol

After going back and looking at it,I think it could of been alittle brighter to,maybe it was a tad to dark..


Thanks again

[Edited by User on 8/28/2012 6:44:25 PM]
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AzureSky
Independents
8/28/2012 6:48:32 PM


Status: Commander in Chief

On 8/28/2012 6:14:35 PM, JCSUPERMAN said:
Hello,

I don't mean to intrude on your topic,just based on the name
I thought it would be a good place for me to ask a question,so I apologize if this is not the right place

On the teleprompter contest my entry was in second place for awhile then it went way down,now granted I thought I would get top 15 or so with a ok chance of placing pretty high based on all the entries but I worked hard on it and thought it looked pretty good,so when I go 20 something place I was a little shocked,now that's not taking anything away from anyone who won or placed higher at all cause there was alot of awesome entries,I was just wondering..was this more based on the concept you think,like mine wasn't funny or clever enough or did it have any major problems keeping it from placing higher?

I hope this is an ok place to ask your opinions,thanks again and have a great day,

JC



I sympathise JC. Mine entry was first place for a bit then went down to 15 and ended up at 12. The people with high Karma (points) tend to vote fairly late in the contest so it doesn't pay to take too much notice of the early votes.

I have lost Karma on the last two contests, which I am not very pleased about. It means I don't have the same view on some entries. It is easy to drive yourself crazy about your position in contests.

My advice is to keep on chopping and one day you will hit on an idea that catches the imagination of everyone and you will win. Lots of brilliant entries don't make the top 5 simply because the competition is so fierce.

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JCSUPERMAN
Independents
8/28/2012 7:02:34 PM


Status: White House Intern

On 8/28/2012 6:48:32 PM, AzureSky said:

On 8/28/2012 6:14:35 PM, JCSUPERMAN said:
Hello,

I don't mean to intrude on your topic,just based on the name
I thought it would be a good place for me to ask a question,so I apologize if this is not the right place

On the teleprompter contest my entry was in second place for awhile then it went way down,now granted I thought I would get top 15 or so with a ok chance of placing pretty high based on all the entries but I worked hard on it and thought it looked pretty good,so when I go 20 something place I was a little shocked,now that's not taking anything away from anyone who won or placed higher at all cause there was alot of awesome entries,I was just wondering..was this more based on the concept you think,like mine wasn't funny or clever enough or did it have any major problems keeping it from placing higher?

I hope this is an ok place to ask your opinions,thanks again and have a great day,

JC



I sympathise JC. Mine entry was first place for a bit then went down to 15 and ended up at 12. The people with high Karma (points) tend to vote fairly late in the contest so it doesn't pay to take too much notice of the early votes.

I have lost Karma on the last two contests, which I am not very pleased about. It means I don't have the same view on some entries. It is easy to drive yourself crazy about your position in contests.

My advice is to keep on chopping and one day you will hit on an idea that catches the imagination of everyone and you will win. Lots of brilliant entries don't make the top 5 simply because the competition is so fierce.





Thank you for your reply,that actually softens the blow lol,I thought I was the only one,like people were after me lol

I don't tend to do it to often but I will admit this one got to me and I was going crazy for a bit wondering how I placed so low after all the work I put it,but you are right it is fierce all you can do it keep trying

Also I really have been trying to get some karma lately,voting higher then I normally do but I still haven't work any up lol
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AzureSky
Independents
8/29/2012 6:22:06 PM


Status: Commander in Chief



I sympathise JC. Mine entry was first place for a bit then went down to 15 and ended up at 12. The people with high Karma (points) tend to vote fairly late in the contest so it doesn't pay to take too much notice of the early votes.

I have lost Karma on the last two contests, which I am not very pleased about. It means I don't have the same view on some entries. It is easy to drive yourself crazy about your position in contests.

My advice is to keep on chopping and one day you will hit on an idea that catches the imagination of everyone and you will win. Lots of brilliant entries don't make the top 5 simply because the competition is so fierce.





Thank you for your reply,that actually softens the blow lol,I thought I was the only one,like people were after me lol

I don't tend to do it to often but I will admit this one got to me and I was going crazy for a bit wondering how I placed so low after all the work I put it,but you are right it is fierce all you can do it keep trying

Also I really have been trying to get some karma lately,voting higher then I normally do but I still haven't work any up lol


Karma is a difficult thing to get the hang of. The thing to understand is your karma is calculated on each vote per entry. You can vote for instance 7. If the average vote is 6, 7 or 8 you will not lose karma points. If you vote 5 or 9 you will lose points.

Some contests are very difficult to vote on because of the variety of styles, especially if they are all neatly done. It is easier when there are some stand out entries and some that are not so good.

I think the Teleprompter contest had several good entries, It was hard to choose the top ones. On that contest I voted maybe lower on some than I should have hence the loss of karma.

I tend to vote between 6 and 8 and give 9 or 10 to outstanding entries.

Inspiration seems to have deserted me at the moment so it may be a few days before I enter anything. I am working on something for the next Freak Show at the moment.

Try not to worry JC, you will get the hang of things soon enough. It might help you to study the voting history closely to get an idea of the way people with high karma vote.



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JCSUPERMAN
Independents
8/29/2012 6:26:40 PM


Status: White House Intern

On 8/29/2012 6:22:06 PM, AzureSky said:



I sympathise JC. Mine entry was first place for a bit then went down to 15 and ended up at 12. The people with high Karma (points) tend to vote fairly late in the contest so it doesn't pay to take too much notice of the early votes.

I have lost Karma on the last two contests, which I am not very pleased about. It means I don't have the same view on some entries. It is easy to drive yourself crazy about your position in contests.

My advice is to keep on chopping and one day you will hit on an idea that catches the imagination of everyone and you will win. Lots of brilliant entries don't make the top 5 simply because the competition is so fierce.





Thank you for your reply,that actually softens the blow lol,I thought I was the only one,like people were after me lol

I don't tend to do it to often but I will admit this one got to me and I was going crazy for a bit wondering how I placed so low after all the work I put it,but you are right it is fierce all you can do it keep trying

Also I really have been trying to get some karma lately,voting higher then I normally do but I still haven't work any up lol


Karma is a difficult thing to get the hang of. The thing to understand is your karma is calculated on each vote per entry. You can vote for instance 7. If the average vote is 6, 7 or 8 you will not lose karma points. If you vote 5 or 9 you will lose points.

Some contests are very difficult to vote on because of the variety of styles, especially if they are all neatly done. It is easier when there are some stand out entries and some that are not so good.

I think the Teleprompter contest had several good entries, It was hard to choose the top ones. On that contest I voted maybe lower on some than I should have hence the loss of karma.

I tend to vote between 6 and 8 and give 9 or 10 to outstanding entries.

Inspiration seems to have deserted me at the moment so it may be a few days before I enter anything. I am working on something for the next Freak Show at the moment.

Try not to worry JC, you will get the hang of things soon enough. It might help you to study the voting history closely to get an idea of the way people with high karma vote.






I look forward to seeing what you are working on
and thanks again

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pegleg
Independents
9/5/2012 8:03:25 PM


Status: Presidential Chief of Staff
Just figured I'd drop my two cents in here. I have been away from photoshopping and freakingnews for a few years. Since I have come back (about a month or so ago) the results of MOST of the contests have been surprising to me. I'm not going to single anyone out of any contest, but I will say that I have been seeing some quite mediocre chops taking the podium, with better quality work getting pushed behind. Don't get me wrong, I think a cute idea is a good thing. Creativity is great...but if you can't pull it together with basic fundamentals, it should not place. There should be some skill displayed. I guess I'm saying that a less comical idea done well, should place better than something funny that was slapped together half heartedly. I also think Obama, Romney, or any politician are not mandatory in every single entry.

As far as some of the "fantasy wallpaper" type images, I agree. They should display a bit more photoshopping, rather than just a stock background image, with an image of a brooding, emo person cut and pasted over it, with a butt-load of filters for "atmosphere".

I'm not sure if some newer people skipped the FAQs, and voting guidelines and what to look for...but it definitely has me wondering what has happened lately. I had a lot of fun here, and enjoy chopping, but it is just different now. I almost feel like bowing back out again for another year, maybe checking back in later to see if things have gotten straightened out.

Just my two cents.

[Edited by User on 9/5/2012 8:04:40 PM]
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vicspa
Independents
9/6/2012 12:38:26 PM


Status: Commander in Chief
There's a lot I agree with you pegleg, I once saw an entry that took some one's artwork, put a Topaz filter on it and got on the top 3.
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AzureSky
Independents
9/6/2012 4:03:47 PM


Status: Commander in Chief

On 9/5/2012 8:03:25 PM, pegleg said:
Just figured I'd drop my two cents in here. I have been away from photoshopping and freakingnews for a few years. Since I have come back (about a month or so ago) the results of MOST of the contests have been surprising to me. I'm not going to single anyone out of any contest, but I will say that I have been seeing some quite mediocre chops taking the podium, with better quality work getting pushed behind. Don't get me wrong, I think a cute idea is a good thing. Creativity is great...but if you can't pull it together with basic fundamentals, it should not place. There should be some skill displayed. I guess I'm saying that a less comical idea done well, should place better than something funny that was slapped together half heartedly. I also think Obama, Romney, or any politician are not mandatory in every single entry.

As far as some of the "fantasy wallpaper" type images, I agree. They should display a bit more photoshopping, rather than just a stock background image, with an image of a brooding, emo person cut and pasted over it, with a butt-load of filters for "atmosphere".

I'm not sure if some newer people skipped the FAQs, and voting guidelines and what to look for...but it definitely has me wondering what has happened lately. I had a lot of fun here, and enjoy chopping, but it is just different now. I almost feel like bowing back out again for another year, maybe checking back in later to see if things have gotten straightened out.

Just my two cents.




You have made some very good points pegleg. It does make me cross when entries that don't follow the guidelines place high.
Fantasy fairytale chops don't seem to me to fit in to FN which I always understood to be about news parody.

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Malcolmxy
Independents
9/7/2012 3:53:04 AM


Status: Attorney General
Fantasy chops are AWESOME! I've not made one yet, but I'm thinking about doing them exclusively from now on...they're just so interesting and emo.

I love emo.
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pegleg
Independents
9/18/2012 1:24:45 PM


Status: Presidential Chief of Staff
I don't think freakingnews is one hundred percent, seven days a week news related though either. It is satire, and current events and news is easy satire, but I think even over news, this is a Photoshop site first. There are contests, obviously, such as "news in pictures", and specific themed contests such as "who is Paul Ryan"...but then we have freak show, and three chimneys, and build a camel. Not every contest is required to be news related or political, but every contest IS supposed to display some creative "chopping". Politics is just easy fodder. That being said, I still get tired of seeing Obama in every contest entry that isn't specifically news based. Fine for news in pictures, but do we really need 25 Obama projects in "national talk like a pirate day", or "Halloween movies"?
Okay I'll shut up now. Lol

I said I wasn't big on the "fantasy"chops, I want to clarify that. I'm not a big fan of the fantasy chops where someone just cuts and pastes one image over a background and calls it "sad...whatever". There are some really good fantasy type chops, though, where you can tell someone put time and effort into the work. They show their sources, maybe 8 or 10 different images used, and representing good Photoshop skills, and creativity...so I'm not bashing "fantasy" images in general here. If they are done right and done well, they belong on here because this is a site about Photoshop, Whether they are political, or "news" or not.

just my two cents for what it's worth. Lol
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AzureSky
Independents
9/18/2012 5:02:35 PM


Status: Commander in Chief

On 9/7/2012 3:53:04 AM, Malcolmxy said:
Fantasy chops are AWESOME! I've not made one yet, but I'm thinking about doing them exclusively from now on...they're just so interesting and emo.

I love emo.



Wasn't it you who said you didn't like the fantasy, fluffy bunny type entries?

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Malcolmxy
Independents
9/18/2012 10:37:13 PM


Status: Attorney General

On 9/18/2012 5:02:35 PM, AzureSky said:

On 9/7/2012 3:53:04 AM, Malcolmxy said:
Fantasy chops are AWESOME! I've not made one yet, but I'm thinking about doing them exclusively from now on...they're just so interesting and emo.

I love emo.



Wasn't it you who said you didn't like the fantasy, fluffy bunny type entries?




sarcasm.
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