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AzureSky
3/23/2012 5:26:22 PM


Status: Commander in Chief
Persistent 1 and 2 votes.

I have been getting some very low votes lately. 1's and 2's. Now I understand they are only worth one point because of Karma, that doesn't alter the fact that they are insulting. 3's 4's and 5's are not much better, when you may have spent many hours working on a chop.

Usually, it wouldn't bother me so much, but there are so many of these low votes being given out to so many people, I feel it is time those low voters were dealt with. Especially when they enter contests. I know some choppers get pretty upset about this issue.

I hope these low voters will be informed by the admins that they are upsetting people. In fact they are in breach of the guidelines, especially when they low vote high ranked chops with trophies and/or stars.
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TheDunceCap
Independents
3/23/2012 6:53:37 PM


Status: Student Council
Right there with you Azure. I have even said so in my own comments. I know that may not be very classy but it was in my crawl at the time.

Seems that they are probably "youthful entrants" who think this will sway their result in the contest. And clearly have not read the guidelines to know it really doesn't help them.

It it what it is at the end of the day. I know that the ones who matter are voting and thinking much differently.

[Edited by User on 3/23/2012 6:51:23 PM]
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MiniS
Democrats
3/23/2012 7:25:43 PM


Status: Hall Monitor
You can't really be insulted personally by someone who gives 1 to every chop in a contest (except their own) - actually they are insulting themselves!
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AzureSky
Independents
3/23/2012 7:58:53 PM


Status: Commander in Chief

On 3/23/2012 7:25:43 PM, MiniS said:
You can't really be insulted personally by someone who gives 1 to every chop in a contest (except their own) - actually they are insulting themselves!



I am not insulted personally, what I meant to convey was that it is insulting in a general way. Not all the low voters are new either.

I have also seen entries that were in the top 10 given 5's. People do get upset and was speaking up for them. After 7 years here, I am used to the strange way some people vote.
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Kellie
Independents
3/23/2012 8:44:52 PM
Status: Commander in Chief
They do get a "slapping" now & then Az
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AzureSky
Independents
3/23/2012 8:50:56 PM


Status: Commander in Chief

On 3/23/2012 8:44:52 PM, Kellie said:
They do get a "slapping" now & then Az



Thank you very much indeed Kellie, he deserved a slap. I am sure the members who have felt so disheartened by his low votes will feel much better now. ... x

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Malcolmxy
Independents
3/24/2012 12:10:24 AM


Status: Attorney General
The tongue lashing was cool, but don't revenge vote when you recognize someone's work and they are one of these people who vote all crazy. You only demean your own integrity by doing so, and you won't change their behavior in any way whatsoever.

The tough part about having integrity is that you have integrity...if it didn't carry over into everything else, then it wouldn't be integrity, now would it?
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macwithfries
Independents
3/24/2012 1:43:36 AM


Status: Commander in Chief

On 3/24/2012 12:10:24 AM, Malcolmxy said:
The tongue lashing was cool, but don't revenge vote when you recognize someone's work and they are one of these people who vote all crazy. You only demean your own integrity by doing so, and you won't change their behavior in any way whatsoever.

The tough part about having integrity is that you have integrity...if it didn't carry over into everything else, then it wouldn't be integrity, now would it?



Very well said



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Malcolmxy
Independents
3/24/2012 3:49:10 AM


Status: Attorney General

On 3/24/2012 1:43:36 AM, macwithfries said:


Very well said





Well, apparently I'm a troll, so if I don't get all eloquent and sh!t, I scare people off from getting caught in my triple riddle paradox, so I've learned to fool people with poignancy.

I can't believe you actually fell for it, though.*

(*smiley placed in rainy day savings account. It's got a 4% pensive rate, so I feel silly not taking advantage.)
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macwithfries
Independents
3/24/2012 4:32:43 AM


Status: Commander in Chief

On 3/23/2012 7:25:43 PM, MiniS said:
You can't really be insulted personally by someone who gives 1 to every chop in a contest (except their own) - actually they are insulting themselves!



Very true
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Anniesmum
Independents
3/24/2012 7:04:53 AM
Status: Flori-duh Voter

On 3/23/2012 5:26:22 PM, AzureSky said:
I have been getting some very low votes lately. 1's and 2's. Now I understand they are only worth one point because of Karma, that doesn't alter the fact that they are insulting. 3's 4's and 5's are not much better, when you may have spent many hours working on a chop.

Usually, it wouldn't bother me so much, but there are so many of these low votes being given out to so many people, I feel it is time those low voters were dealt with. Especially when they enter contests. I know some choppers get pretty upset about this issue.

I hope these low voters will be informed by the admins that they are upsetting people. In fact they are in breach of the guidelines, especially when they low vote high ranked chops with trophies and/or stars.



I just sorted through all the Rat pictures and the only person that voted but did not have a 1 seems to be living up to his devlish name and I checked his Karma is just 1 I am surprised he/she has even a 1!!!

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AzureSky
Independents
3/24/2012 12:54:06 PM


Status: Commander in Chief

I just sorted through all the Rat pictures and the only person that voted but did not have a 1 seems to be living up to his devlish name and I checked his Karma is just 1 I am surprised he/she has even a 1!!!




The trouble is we have no way of knowing who the culprit s until after the contest.

There are only two people I always recognise, even then, sometimes I get confused between them. They are not low voters.

Much of the time I can pick out dear Mundo's work, he is not a low voter either.

I used to able to recognise AZRainman's work, but it would not be so easy now with the top choppers here now.

So it is The Phantom Rat Chopper who is playing silly games with the voting system.

Even if I could recognise his work I would not be daft enough to risk my Karma by low voting.

I try very hard to be fair, even though I am caught out sometimes by a chop coming higher than I rated it.
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diamonds
Independents
3/24/2012 6:08:08 PM


Status: Political Science Professor

On 3/23/2012 8:44:52 PM, Kellie said:
They do get a "slapping" now & then Az



Trouble is you are assuming that the person will go back and read comments - I wonder But at least it has been noted!!
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Kellie
Independents
3/24/2012 7:00:36 PM
Status: Commander in Chief

On 3/24/2012 6:08:08 PM, diamonds said:

On 3/23/2012 8:44:52 PM, Kellie said:
They do get a "slapping" now & then Az



Trouble is you are assuming that the person will go back and read comments - I wonder But at least it has been noted!!



I never assume Diamonds, it makes as A$$ out of U and ME

If the voting continues the same way he will be mailed privately, but then again who says he even reads his mail or has given a correct addy, some users don't.


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diamonds
Independents
3/24/2012 7:54:15 PM


Status: Political Science Professor

On 3/24/2012 7:00:36 PM, Kellie said:

On 3/24/2012 6:08:08 PM, diamonds said:

On 3/23/2012 8:44:52 PM, Kellie said:
They do get a "slapping" now & then Az



Trouble is you are assuming that the person will go back and read comments - I wonder But at least it has been noted!!



I never assume Diamonds, it makes as A$$ out of U and ME

If the voting continues the same way he will be mailed privately, but then again who says he even reads his mail or has given a correct addy, some users don't.





LOL - too true on both counts

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Anniesmum
Independents
3/25/2012 8:02:23 AM
Status: Flori-duh Voter

On 3/24/2012 12:54:06 PM, AzureSky said:

I just sorted through all the Rat pictures and the only person that voted but did not have a 1 seems to be living up to his devlish name and I checked his Karma is just 1 I am surprised he/she has even a 1!!!




The trouble is we have no way of knowing who the culprit s until after the contest.




In the bearded lady contest that person didn't vote but there were a run of 2s instead of 1s so is it possible to have more than 1 name on here? if it isn't I think some one has done a work around and has 2 or 3 names.
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AzureSky
Independents
3/25/2012 9:09:35 AM


Status: Commander in Chief

On 3/25/2012 8:02:23 AM, Anniesmum said:

On 3/24/2012 12:54:06 PM, AzureSky said:

I just sorted through all the Rat pictures and the only person that voted but did not have a 1 seems to be living up to his devlish name and I checked his Karma is just 1 I am surprised he/she has even a 1!!!




The trouble is we have no way of knowing who the culprit s until after the contest.






In the bearded lady contest that person didn't vote but there were a run of 2s instead of 1s so is it possible to have more than 1 name on here? if it isn't I think some one has done a work around and has 2 or 3 names.



The possibility has crossed my mind. With laptops you don't have a permanent IP address.

There may even be people entering under different identities, but that is just about impossible to prove.

The only part that would really bother me about that, is if they used strategic voting.

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MiniS
Democrats
3/25/2012 9:27:59 AM


Status: Hall Monitor
People who vote like this have a Karma of 1, which means that they can't influence the outcome very much.
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AzureSky
Independents
3/25/2012 9:39:26 AM


Status: Commander in Chief

On 3/25/2012 9:27:59 AM, MiniS said:
People who vote like this have a Karma of 1, which means that they can't influence the outcome very much.



That isn't the point, it is fact they enter and get good votes from the rest of us but insult us with 1 votes.

It is inappropriate, many of us who have worked very hard on our own entries, can't help being annoyed when a person puts in 42 entries, dominates the contest, gets good votes, but cannot be bothered to vote fairly.

I noticed he did the same low votes on the previous beard contest. Interesting to see the entries on that one. He is definitely very good at beard and hair work.

Might as well have a head to head contest with Berselino and Bearder.


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Chili
Independents
3/25/2012 12:38:48 PM


Status: Commander in Chief
You have to realize that when someone has a Karma of 1 , their vote has little to do with the score in the contest . I personally think the way this whole website voting is , is very accurate & fair , so please don't stress about who is not participating fair & who is .Its a simple Contest !!!
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IcyAllEyeCan
Independents
3/25/2012 5:14:35 PM


Status: Commander in Chief
I'm so glad you think so, Chili. I don't. I vote fairly, always, regardless of my being in a contest. Yet my Karma is 1. I've been around this with NewsMaster, but the simple fact is, karma is based on how your vote compares to how others vote in the contest. So it can never be honest. It's pack mentality.

To quote Spock "In an insane society the sane man must appear insane."

I propose a system where the jurors and admins vote and their average score is the one to match. Then the bar stays the same and your adjustments are not always in flux. Even if there is only a three-some of jurors/admins, at least those would be honest, uninfluenced by personalities or tricks votes.
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