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Malcolmxy
Independents
3/21/2012 8:49:09 PM


Status: Attorney General
my point with the art comments is that technical prowess shouldn't be the start and end to how people vote.

for example, if someone like Anniesmum makes something cool but lacking in technical skill, I think it deserves just as high of a vote as one of these overdone techniques that seem so popular here.

In music, when people do the same thing over and over again, that's when you know the artist has lost 'it'.

Whatever 'it' is, is important and it's something that should be reflected in the scoring here as well. Or, so I think...which matters not at all, so feel free to ignore this.
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AzureSky
Independents
3/21/2012 9:11:22 PM


Status: Commander in Chief

On 3/21/2012 8:49:09 PM, Malcolmxy said:
my point with the art comments is that technical prowess shouldn't be the start and end to how people vote.

for example, if someone like Anniesmum makes something cool but lacking in technical skill, I think it deserves just as high of a vote as one of these overdone techniques that seem so popular here.

In music, when people do the same thing over and over again, that's when you know the artist has lost 'it'.

Whatever 'it' is, is important and it's something that should be reflected in the scoring here as well. Or, so I think...which matters not at all, so feel free to ignore this.



Malcolmxy Advanced Contests were started for advanced choppers. The Apprentice Contests are for training beginners.

If an inexperienced chopper did have a really amazing and funny chop I daresay it would get higher scores.

However it would need to be reasonably clean to give the impact needed to win.

It is very hard to win an advanced contest. Even the top choppers have low placed entries sometimes. They don't win every contest.

I feel the beginners need to go to the Apprentice Contests to brush up on their skills.

When they win some trophies there, it is time to enter the Advanced Contests.
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Anniesmum
Independents
3/21/2012 9:55:37 PM
Status: Flori-duh Voter

On 3/21/2012 8:49:09 PM, Malcolmxy said:
my point with the art comments is that technical prowess shouldn't be the start and end to how people vote.

for example, if someone like Anniesmum makes something cool but lacking in technical skill, I think it deserves just as high of a vote as one of these overdone techniques that seem so popular here.

In music, when people do the same thing over and over again, that's when you know the artist has lost 'it'.

Whatever 'it' is, is important and it's something that should be reflected in the scoring here as well. Or, so I think...which matters not at all, so feel free to ignore this.



There is one thing, I have just had a wander through some of your pieces and if I had voted for your Whitney submission, The 2 sides of Mrs Brown I would have given it a 8 or perhaps an 9 as I loved the concept and the texture, I could almost feel it hot and cold, but had I voted with those scores I think I would have lost Karma. I have on many occasions lost some because I could not understand the meaning behind the picture, it has been more about a person that has been added to the original idea, than the actual subject picture. MMM that's not all that clear is it, but sometimes a person is included and it seems that who they are is really important to the finished picture but I and others not living in the US have no clue as to who it is, so the meaning is lost and it becomes just a confusing picture, once when I asked who it was the answer implied that I was an idiot for not knowing!

Well that's me for now anyway!!

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Malcolmxy
Independents
3/22/2012 12:47:24 AM


Status: Attorney General

On 3/21/2012 9:11:22 PM, AzureSky said:


However it would need to be reasonably clean to give the impact needed to win.




I agree. I'm not saying that someone should be able to slop a bunch of crp on a page and submit that in the hopes of winning, but the stuff that gets the higher votes here is all the same.

And, I'm not saying that some of the caricatures aren't amazing, because some of them are, but simply being a caricature seems to be enough in most cases, and that's just silly.

Try eating your favorite food for breakfast, lunch, dinner and snacks for 30 days straight. I dare say it won't be your favorite food for long.

Same basic concept applies here. People need to learn to enjoy some of the more exotic tastes, or the joint will end up being
relegated to the internet bargain bin.
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Malcolmxy
Independents
3/22/2012 12:59:45 AM


Status: Attorney General

On 3/21/2012 9:55:37 PM, Anniesmum said:


There is one thing, I have just had a wander through some of your pieces and if I had voted for your Whitney submission, The 2 sides of Mrs Brown I would have given it a 8 or perhaps an 9 as I loved the concept and the texture, I could almost feel it hot and cold, but had I voted with those scores I think I would have lost Karma. I have on many occasions lost some because I could not understand the meaning behind the picture, it has been more about a person that has been added to the original idea, than the actual subject picture. MMM that's not all that clear is it, but sometimes a person is included and it seems that who they are is really important to the finished picture but I and others not living in the US have no clue as to who it is, so the meaning is lost and it becomes just a confusing picture, once when I asked who it was the answer implied that I was an idiot for not knowing!

Well that's me for now anyway!!




Thanks for the compliments. I liked the Whitney pic as well. I absolutely loathe her music, but I was thinking that she was gonna get bashed a lot after she died because of all the issues she had recently, and I thought that was BS since a male rock star, like say, Elvis, is celebrated to this day and he had the exact same issues Whitney had.

The Karma thing is kind of a double-edged sword. On the one hand, rewarding people and incentivizing good voters is a good thing. On the other hand, using standard deviations to raise and lower karma is a great way to punish people for their votes, and it's also an easy avenue to abusing the system (depending on if it's overall deviation or if it's per entry deviation...if it's the former, you can easily vote erratically and still fall within the desired deviation range for raising your karma...as long as you do it in a certain way)

I think the best thing to do is to give people a +1 leeway for jury picks. That way, if you think something is really good that isn't what normally plays around here, and the jury (whoever they are) agrees, you can give those things higher votes without having to worry about your karma going down.

As someone who abstains from voting, that's not a worry for me.

(with a few more tweaks to the system here, I might consider voting, but as of right now, I'm still staying out of that game...the voting here really isn't horrible, though...just a little skewed toward one style of submission.)
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AzureSky
Independents
3/22/2012 4:18:56 AM


Status: Commander in Chief

I think the best thing to do is to give people a +1 leeway for jury picks.

the voting here really isn't horrible, though...just a little skewed toward one style of submission.)


You do get leeway of +1 or -1.

If you go back through the contests a few months, or even a couple of years or so, you will see that tastes and fashions change.

There have been the trend setters who people try to emulate. I am thinking of AZRainman who wiped the floor with us by producing amazing work.

Hygglobert with his quirky original style. Registered, who always managed to come up with a different slant. Indigodingo who went right to the edge.

Mandrak, Funkwood, Nilo, Scorpion,Kibuyu also brilliant. Keb, Midian, Mashby and Wet Crimson. All great choppers.

Lately, we have Rickytrek, PixelJockey, Sunshin3, Preemeenie, Salis2006, jeremix setting trends.

Apologies to anyone I missed.

If you want to learn, go the the Hall of Fame and take a look through their chops.
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Malcolmxy
Independents
3/22/2012 4:58:26 AM


Status: Attorney General

On 3/22/2012 4:18:56 AM, AzureSky said:


You do get leeway of +1 or -1.




Then, +2/-1 on jury pics...some extra leeway for voting higher on things that have been deemed of a certain quality by whomever is in the jury.

PS - your bugle pic is, if not already "art", certainly approaching that mark, in my opinion.

I looked at a few of the peeps I ain't seen yet that you mentioned. They was alright, I suppose. I like what I've seen from RICKYTREK when he ain't doing the caricature thing. Even when he does, they're alright, but for me, that's usually more because of the detail in the background than what he's doing in the foreground.

When I was voting, despite my aversion to a lot of his stylistic choices, I still voted him highly. The boy produces quality...can't argue with that. But, I only voted that way because that's how I was supposed to vote. If I was able to use my own standards (which I suppose I could, since I'm sure others do), I would have given him different scores.
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AzureSky
Independents
3/22/2012 5:24:40 AM


Status: Commander in Chief

On 3/22/2012 4:58:26 AM, Malcolmxy said:

On 3/22/2012 4:18:56 AM, AzureSky said:


You do get leeway of +1 or -1.




Then, +2/-1 on jury pics...some extra leeway for voting higher on things that have been deemed of a certain quality by whomever is in the jury.

PS - your bugle pic is, if not already "art", certainly approaching that mark, in my opinion.

I looked at a few of the peeps I ain't seen yet that you mentioned. They was alright, I suppose. I like what I've seen from RICKYTREK when he ain't doing the caricature thing. Even when he does, they're alright, but for me, that's usually more because of the detail in the background than what he's doing in the foreground.

When I was voting, despite my aversion to a lot of his stylistic choices, I still voted him highly. The boy produces quality...can't argue with that. But, I only voted that way because that's how I was supposed to vote. If I was able to use my own standards (which I suppose I could, since I'm sure others do), I would have given him different scores.



Admiring bugles was an early one lol! Have you seen the one with the pole dancer? I had to cover the ... s. They don't allow nipples here. Not even on ... tribe people. They are allowed on the Old Masters though.

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Malcolmxy
Independents
3/22/2012 5:57:19 AM


Status: Attorney General

On 3/22/2012 5:24:40 AM, AzureSky said:

Admiring bugles was an early one lol! Have you seen the one with the pole dancer? I had to cover the ... s. They don't allow nipples here. Not even on ... tribe people. They are allowed on the Old Masters though.




Well, now I really think it's art, because the reflection in the bugle is reflective of a subversive, hidden message that one must discover to truly appreciate the piece (along with having the knowledge that certain things are not allowed here).

It wasn't just the fact that it was a girl that made me like it. I saw the reflection right away and how it was an extension of...well, ya know. My second favorite thing I saw in your stack was the Muppet Titanic shot (and, I found a pretty large flaw in it...didn't make me like it any less, though).

I'd have given the bugle pic a 9 or a 10...I can't say for sure.

The Muppet thing was definitely an 8 (it would also bump up to a 10 if you would have used gonzo and fozzy instead of kermit and miss piggy)



[Edited by User on 3/22/2012 5:55:41 AM]
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AzureSky
Independents
3/22/2012 6:50:50 AM


Status: Commander in Chief

On 3/22/2012 5:57:19 AM, Malcolmxy said:

On 3/22/2012 5:24:40 AM, AzureSky said:

Admiring bugles was an early one lol! Have you seen the one with the pole dancer? I had to cover the ... s. They don't allow nipples here. Not even on ... tribe people. They are allowed on the Old Masters though.




Well, now I really think it's art, because the reflection in the bugle is reflective of a subversive, hidden message that one must discover to truly appreciate the piece (along with having the knowledge that certain things are not allowed here).

It wasn't just the fact that it was a girl that made me like it. I saw the reflection right away and how it was an extension of...well, ya know. My second favorite thing I saw in your stack was the Muppet Titanic shot (and, I found a pretty large flaw in it...didn't make me like it any less, though).

I'd have given the bugle pic a 9 or a 10...I can't say for sure.

The Muppet thing was definitely an 8 (it would also bump up to a 10 if you would have used gonzo and fozzy instead of kermit and miss piggy)



[Edited by User on 3/22/2012 5:55:41 AM]



Thank you, I must admit my knowledge of the Muppets is limited! I chose Kermit and Miss Piggy because of their romance in the show.

I will see if I can find the pole dancer. It is quite funny.

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Malcolmxy
Independents
3/22/2012 7:01:38 AM


Status: Attorney General

On 3/22/2012 6:50:50 AM, AzureSky said:

Thank you, I must admit my knowledge of the Muppets is limited! I chose Kermit and Miss Piggy because of their romance in the show.

I will see if I can find the pole dancer. It is quite funny.




Elmo and Big Bird, then...anything a bit unexpected that causes the audience to stop, do a double take and then think about why they took that second look works for me.

If something is going to last, it needs to have multiple layers to it. The Simpsons, especially the 1st 20 seasons (sans season 1, which kinda sucked, actually) have this kind of layering to them (as opposed to photoshop layering).

All the jokes are funny from a ridiculous angle, a sight gag angle, and usually something else which some people might call a "smart" angle. The jokes are funny regardless of which angle you see initially, but you can go back to them and find the other layers and laugh all over again (or, be fascinated by the whole genius of it).

That's what I look for - emotion and how the emotion is evoked (hopefully, in multiple ways).

Anyway, I've said my piece. Sorry to have invaded the thread.
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AzureSky
Independents
3/22/2012 7:01:58 AM


Status: Commander in Chief

On 3/22/2012 5:57:19 AM, Malcolmxy said:

On 3/22/2012 5:24:40 AM, AzureSky said:

Admiring bugles was an early one lol! Have you seen the one with the pole dancer? I had to cover the ... s. They don't allow nipples here. Not even on ... tribe people. They are allowed on the Old Masters though.




Well, now I really think it's art, because the reflection in the bugle is reflective of a subversive, hidden message that one must discover to truly appreciate the piece (along with having the knowledge that certain things are not allowed here).



It wasn't just the fact that it was a girl that made me like it. I saw the reflection right away and how it was an extension of...well, ya know. My second favorite thing I saw in your stack was the Muppet Titanic shot (and, I found a pretty large flaw in it...didn't make me like it any less, though).

I'd have given the bugle pic a 9 or a 10...I can't say for sure.

The Muppet thing was definitely an 8 (it would also bump up to a 10 if you would have used gonzo and fozzy instead of kermit and miss piggy)



[Edited by User on 3/22/2012 5:55:41 AM]




my pole dancer

This contest was about Surgery, my entry came 3rd. It was beaten by Hygglobert who I mentioned earlier.


[Edited by Moderator on 3/22/2012 8:12:55 AM]
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AzureSky
Independents
3/22/2012 7:11:09 AM


Status: Commander in Chief
Something weird is happening to the messages! I tried four times to post a reply, one came out without my message on the end of Malcom's quote. Then a blank. follwed by two attempts when nothing showed up
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AzureSky
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3/22/2012 7:12:00 AM


Status: Commander in Chief
Well! what do you make of that, the last one turned up!
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macwithfries
Independents
3/22/2012 8:18:06 AM


Status: Commander in Chief

On 3/22/2012 7:11:09 AM, AzureSky said:
Something weird is happening to the messages! I tried four times to post a reply, one came out without my message on the end of Malcom's quote. Then a blank. follwed by two attempts when nothing showed up


Fixed it for you.

You kept trying to put the URL to your chop, but you had an asterix at the end of the link instead of a quotation mark....which mucked with the code and wouldn't show your link and made the page go a bit....whacky

Next time if you see something not working in a post....just try and edit the current post...cos if it didn't work in the first post, chances are that it still won't work in subsequent ones


[Edited by User on 3/22/2012 8:19:44 AM]
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AzureSky
Independents
3/22/2012 12:26:47 PM


Status: Commander in Chief

On 3/22/2012 8:18:06 AM, macwithfries said:

On 3/22/2012 7:11:09 AM, AzureSky said:
Something weird is happening to the messages! I tried four times to post a reply, one came out without my message on the end of Malcom's quote. Then a blank. follwed by two attempts when nothing showed up


Fixed it for you.

You kept trying to put the URL to your chop, but you had an asterix at the end of the link instead of a quotation mark....which mucked with the code and wouldn't show your link and made the page go a bit....whacky

Next time if you see something not working in a post....just try and edit the current post...cos if it didn't work in the first post, chances are that it still won't work in subsequent ones


[Edited by User on 3/22/2012 8:19:44 AM]

Thank you mac ...

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AzureSky
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3/22/2012 5:19:48 PM


Status: Commander in Chief
No wonder my Draught Vodka took a dive! a 1 and 2 score, some 5's and 6's was it really that bad????
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