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Ganmerlad
10/3/2011 1:08:05 AM


Status: Flori-duh Voter
professional vs amature

Look, most of these contests are being overwhelmingly won by a few select people and if any of them are making money on a regular basis by their shopping then I can't compete and don't want to try...not at this point anyhow. It isn't fair that the dozen of them compete against the 1000 of us. After seeing PSMandrake's website, for instance, no wonder he keeps complaining about not winning overwhelmingly. And RWPike made a shop that showed up at the top google images before the Andy Rooney contest was even started...he is too good to play with the rest of us too.

I am a bad sport. You bet. I don't want to compete with professionals. There is no point. I think I am interesting enough to add to your website but I want a fair chance.

So I will check back in later.
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macwithfries
Independents
10/3/2011 4:03:44 AM


Status: Commander in Chief
You have to remember that some of the people that win here quite a bit have been here a while and have gradually improved to the point where they might look like "professionals"

Truth is, most choppers here all had to start somewhere.

I guarantee if you look at some of the earlier entries by some of the top choppers, and then look to see how their work has progressed (sometimes over a few years) you will see that they didn't necessarily start out with earth shattering skills and win all the time.

But just because they've improved through hard work and practice to a point where they find it easier to win, doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to play with everyone else.....most people who chop here don't do it for the money, but for fun.

You've done some great entries since joining. I especially liked your recent Rooney bunny and are probably chopping at a higher standard than most new users.....and you have only been here a month

I know some people who have been here for donkeys years, and don't often win trophies.....but they keep playing because they enjoy it.

In any competition setting there will always be people who have had more experience and have more expertise, and they are usually hard to beat.

For example AzRainman who is at the top of the Hall of Fame here.

But he started out like everyone else.....not a super chopper....but he kept at it, spent a lot of time learning more about Photoshop than probably a lot of people here, kept entering and experimenting, till he got pretty darn good!

You've already snagged an advanced trophy, and that's better than a lot of people do when they first join, and last contest there was some stiff competition chop wise....coming 5th in a contest of that standard is not a bad thing.

I will add that we do try to suggest to people not to post their work that's in a current contest elsewhere before or during a contest, to keep a choppers anonymity.








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diamonds
Independents
10/3/2011 4:54:36 AM


Status: Political Science Professor
Nicely said Mac
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Trust Yourself - you know more than you think you do!

Ganmerlad
Democrats
10/3/2011 5:09:08 AM


Status: Flori-duh Voter
Mac (umm, cheese burgers), I am not being jealous, exactly. I look all the time at what other people do/have done and know what you are saying, but also realize that my concern is valid. Some people here are TOO good and too recognizable, and some are professionals (they say so in comments). I am thinking if I wait a while...

I also didn't just start photoshopping. I have been at it for awhile, I have just never competed before. That is why I don't do the apprentice competitions. Not that I would win, but I don't think it would be fair. (plus I wouldn't want someone like me telling me what to do)

I think I mainly wanted to say "urgh!" I hear you Mac and I appreciate your patience. Thank you!

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macwithfries
Independents
10/3/2011 5:39:31 AM


Status: Commander in Chief

On 10/3/2011 5:09:08 AM, Ganmerlad said:
Mac (umm, cheese burgers), I am not being jealous, exactly. I look all the time at what other people do/have done and know what you are saying, but also realize that my concern is valid. Some people here are TOO good and too recognizable, and some are professionals (they say so in comments). I am thinking if I wait a while...

I also didn't just start photoshopping. I have been at it for awhile, I have just never competed before. That is why I don't do the apprentice competitions. Not that I would win, but I don't think it would be fair. (plus I wouldn't want someone like me telling me what to do)

I think I mainly wanted to say "urgh!" I hear you Mac and I appreciate your patience. Thank you!




Well at least you enter...I'm too chicken

We can't get rid of the people that are "too good" though....the challenge is to some day Beat Their A$$.....lol

It IS possible

****and just editing to add....quit getting hungry when you see my username....lol.....I actually would prefer a whooper with cheese Hmmm...maybe I should change my username to that ****



[Edited by User on 10/3/2011 5:42:29 AM]
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MiniS
Democrats
10/3/2011 6:57:02 AM


Status: Hall Monitor
Well, the last thing that I want to do is to win 5 gold medals and be forced out of the Apprentice Contests.

If I enter the Advanced Contests, which I do only rarely, I am satisfied if I end up in the top half of the results. I consider that, for someone with my paucity of experience and chopping resources, up against some people who do this for a living and some who have a great deal of experience, that's not bad...
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macwithfries
Independents
10/3/2011 7:32:28 AM


Status: Commander in Chief
Don't think there's anyone here who does this for a living.

Some people get some commissioned work from time to time however



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Disasterman111
Democrats
10/3/2011 8:06:17 AM


Status: Commander in Chief
When I was in the apprentice contests I would look at the work the veterans like Rainman would come up with and it really drove me to get better, there was nothing I wanted more then to be able to chop like him & still have a long way to go but seeing the work he did really motivated me to do better and I learned a lot in the process.

I remember the first time I won a contest there was no better feeling in the world, if there were no really good choppers at the site there would be no need for peoples skills to evolve to the point where they were also doing professional work.

So the bottom line is being able to compete against the likes of Rainman, Salis & RWPike makes the other contestants into much better choppers!
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If it was easy anyone could do it!

robinbobin
Democrats
10/3/2011 8:35:16 PM


Status: Secretary of Homeland Security
I have yet to win a gold cup......yes I might be King of the "woodies" ,and yes I do get frustrated by the same people winning, but look at it this way,If you really want to win,then you have to take it away from all those proffs. I mean, you may have to reteach yourself certain teqniqeus (sorry for the spelling). Look at how others put their works together,some of them put alot of time into a pic. I remember reading a blog that rainman did and he said he could put a pic together in a matter of hours. I sure as New Jersey cant.Remember as well ,the higher the quality of the image, the better result you will get.
I may be preachin to the choir, but I have more recently used that as a backbone for my pics. Dont start off with a small pic, or anything with a grain to it.lastly there are individuals, including myself , who have indulged at Topaz labs,which are wonderful plugins,but are not the end all or be all.
Always check the community and see how they do their teckniques (sorry I still cant spell like sh*&^^T).
and remember ,relax,its only a picture.
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there you go again...

robinbobin
Democrats
10/3/2011 8:36:52 PM


Status: Secretary of Homeland Security
sure as new jersey....lol.......its suppose to say the he*&^%%ll i cant....lol
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there you go again...

MiniS
Democrats
10/3/2011 8:55:22 PM


Status: Hall Monitor

On 10/3/2011 7:32:28 AM, macwithfries said:
Don't think there's anyone here who does this for a living.

Some people get some commissioned work from time to time however


Sorry, I didn't make myself clear. There are people (like the graphic artists) who use these tools and techniques to make a living. I don't begrudge their skill, nor their winning, at all, but neither do I hold any expectation of ever reaching their standards. I am quite satisfied with the progress that I am making from a base of no knowledge whatever of image manipulation (and having grown up and worked in an era before it even existed outside the darkroom).

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macwithfries
Independents
10/3/2011 10:06:11 PM


Status: Commander in Chief
I understood what you meant.

Most people here do this stuff at a "hobby" level. Can't think of any graphic artists here off the top of my head.

However, I do know that some hobby photoshoppers here have learned to chop better than people that use PS for a living...just by entering at FN





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crusader234
Independents
10/4/2011 5:28:29 PM


Status: Secretary of Labor
If it wasn't for this site I know for sure I wouldn't be photochopping, I'm also very grateful for the top choppers being here, I've spent many hours trawling through AZ Rainmans ,Funkwoods and kratos etc ( too many to mention ) backwork, that's where my inspiration comes from. I would be happy to see more of those guys and girls(prememe sunshin etc) .
Also the key to success I think is spending a good while thinking about what it is you want to create, finding good high res sources, Then there's composition..... Also AZ's tutorials are awesome !
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suchag33k
Independents
10/11/2011 12:42:44 PM


Status: Presidential Chief of Staff
That is why there are apprentice contests.
And practice makes perfect
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In your reflection what do you see? False fault or a masterpiece? But a masterpiece starts with a single stroke and empires start in an open field.

suchag33k
Independents
10/11/2011 12:43:59 PM


Status: Presidential Chief of Staff
I mean look, I've been a member since April of 2007 but, I wasn't entering contests enough so I never learned the little techniques and tricks. But, I am better now as I photoshop for my classes.
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In your reflection what do you see? False fault or a masterpiece? But a masterpiece starts with a single stroke and empires start in an open field.

vipez
Democrats
10/13/2011 4:49:03 PM
Status: Director of National Drug Control Policy
Okay , gave this a thought......only solution..... 3 levels !

Apprentice - Advanced & then MASTERS ....


After certain Advanced wins...ploop straight to masters and no looking back....


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MiniS
Democrats
10/13/2011 7:10:52 PM


Status: Hall Monitor
Sounds like a good idea to me, vipez.
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AzureSky
Independents
1/12/2012 9:07:21 PM


Status: Commander in Chief
I think the Apprentice, Advanced and Masters sounds great.
If you want to see true quality take a look at Mac and Kellie's work. Both girls are Masters, (or should I say Mistresses?)

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Mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself, but talent instantly recognizes genius. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

news1st
Independents
1/12/2012 10:43:10 PM
Status: Commander in Chief
Don't think of It as Winning and Losing.

Every time You try something New? ...or Observe the techniques of Winning Entries, You are being exposed to information that can make You a Better Photoshopper.

The "Learning Process" is the Winning! Everytime You run yourself through a New set of Tools on Photoshop, you have a new chance at Knowledge.

I consider Myself a medium level Photoshop Hacker. Meaning: There's Always a Good Chance that I Can Damage a Photo More and More each time I try.

But that doesn't mean I quit trying. I will never have the Skills of a Funkwood or AZRainman or RWPike, but it hasn't stopped me from exploring the Application of Photoshop and doing things with it that no one else has, at least within my own research.

The Most Important Thing Photshop has to Offer is that it is Probably One of the Greatest Communication Tools ever developed for the Computer and Web Platforms. It Allows the Common Man to Wield the Power of full fledged Marketing Corporations, all from the comfort of where you can find the Opportunity to do so.

Every time You Learn and can Share that Knowledge with Others, ..."You Win!"

Take Care,

Tracy Mapes






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NewsMaster
Independents
1/13/2012 1:10:28 AM


Status: Commander in Chief
Nicely said, Tracy!
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Out of my mind. Back in five minutes.

AzureSky
Independents
1/22/2012 1:09:32 PM


Status: Commander in Chief
The last thing I want to do is detract from the top choppers, but when I looked to see what version of Photoshop they use, most have Adobe CS5 or higher.

Many of us have CS3 or earlier versions. I just cannot figure out how to create the marvelous effects achieved with CS5 and higher.
It cost over 1500 to buy a copy of the CS5.5, more for the full monty. In some countries Photoshop is more expensive than the USA.

In view of this, I am inclined to think a special category for people with advanced software would be a good idea. They tend to be professional, semi professional or very advanced choppers.

If there is a way to obtain suitable plug ins to achieve the effects available in CS5, I for one, would really appreciate it.

Thank you
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Mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself, but talent instantly recognizes genius. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

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